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ANDREW HUBERMAN: Welcome
to the Huberman Lab podcast

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where we discuss science
and science-based tools

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for everyday life.

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I'm Andrew Huberman,
and I'm a professor

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of neurobiology
and ophthalmology

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at Stanford School of Medicine.

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My guest today is David Goggins.

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David Goggins is a
retired Navy SEAL who

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served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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He's also a highly accomplished
ultramarathon runner.

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For those of you
that don't know,

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ultramarathons are
distances longer

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than 26 miles and, in
David's case, often longer

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than 200 miles.

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For his achievements
in athletics,

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he has been inducted into
the International Sports

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Hall of Fame.

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He also held a Guinness World
Record for the most pull-ups

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completed in 24 hours.

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I should mention that not only
was David a decorated Navy

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SEAL, but he also graduated
from Army Ranger School.

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David is also a highly
successful writer,

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having authored two books, the
first entitled "Can't Hurt Me"

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and the second entitled "Never
Finished," both of which

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are best sellers.

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David's books cover
many topics, including

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his autobiographical
description of what can only

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be described as an
incredibly challenging child

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and young adulthood.

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His home was abusive.

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His school environment
was abusive.

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He essentially had no positive
resources directed his way and.

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In his 20s, he found himself
to be obese, that is,

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more than 300
pounds working a job

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he despised for minimal pay.

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And it was at that point that
David began an inner dialogue

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that forced him to explore
the demons born out

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of his childhood but also the
position that he found himself

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in as a young man and
then began the journey

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to navigate that dialogue and
transform himself into the Navy

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SEAL, the ultramarathon
runner, the bestselling author,

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and the extraordinarily
positive and influential man

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that he is today.

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As some of you may
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done various public lectures.

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He's a familiar face
online because there are so

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many clips of him on YouTube.

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And he has done podcasts before.

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However, I'm certain that
you'll find today's discussion

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to be very different
than previous podcasts

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that David has been featured on.

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The reason is
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get into his accomplishments.

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We talk about the
mindset that allowed

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him to achieve those things.

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But, today, David really
lets us under the hood.

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He lets us into the
form of inner dialogue

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that he has to
embrace, indeed that he

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has to grapple with on a daily
basis, sometimes multiple times

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throughout the day
and night in order

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to impose the sort
of self-discipline

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that he is so well known for.

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We also get into some of
the scientific mechanisms

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underlying willpower.

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And we talk about
David's current endeavors

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that include, for instance,
his own exploration of science

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and medicine for which he
has become an intense scholar

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and practitioner.

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I should mention that multiple
times throughout today's

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discussion you will
hear curse words.

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Now David and I both
acknowledge that cursing

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isn't for everybody
and that cursing

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itself is different than
cursing at somebody.

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Nonetheless, we do realize
that many people, parents

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perhaps especially, might
not want to hear cursing.

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If you don't want
to hear cursing,

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well, then this podcast episode
is probably not for you.

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However, if you are
comfortable with cursing

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or if you can tolerate
it, I assure you

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today's discussion
is highly worthwhile.

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Before we begin, I'd
like to emphasize

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that this podcast is separate
from my teaching and research

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roles at Stanford.

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It is, however, part
of my desire and effort

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to bring zero cost to
consumer information

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about science and
science-related tools

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to the general public.

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And now for my discussion
with David Goggins.

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David Goggins, welcome.

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DAVID GOGGINS: My man.

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Good to see you again, man.

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ANDREW HUBERMAN:
Great to see you.

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It was late 2016,
early 2017, I believe,

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when you were in
my lab at Stanford.

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DAVID GOGGINS: Yes sir.

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ANDREW HUBERMAN: We did a
little work later that day

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down in San Jose.

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And, gosh, see you everywhere,
but it's not enough.

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So great to have you here.

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DAVID GOGGINS: Thanks for
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ANDREW HUBERMAN: Yeah.

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You embody discipline
and doing hard things.

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I think we should just
start right off with--

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DAVID GOGGINS: Yeah.

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Let's just go there.

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ANDREW HUBERMAN:
--the bold truth.

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But right before
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we were talking about learning.

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Right now, you're spending some
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that I think most people
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associate David Goggins with.

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DAVID GOGGINS: Right.

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ANDREW HUBERMAN: Why don't
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DAVID GOGGINS: Well,
most people just

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look at me as the guy that
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While I do that to
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but people don't understand
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I work out.

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I eat.

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I sleep, but I spend
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So like I'm in
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I'm a paramedic in Canada.

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But I spend a lot
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to nuke every single thing
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trying to just be a
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and arteries, and how the heart
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I'm trying to learn
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I can save someone's life.

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And even though paramedics are
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I'm trying to be that
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dissect exactly what's going on
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goes where, just trying to
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going on, man.

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So I spent a lot
of time with it.

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ANDREW HUBERMAN: I
love the word algorithm

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because when I teach
biology or try and learn

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anything that's related
to biology and especially

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the human body, I need
to know the nouns.

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But it's the verbs that matter.

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And that's really what
you're talking about.

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Just saying that sits there,
that brain part there,

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doesn't tell you how
it all works together.

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So what does your process
for studying look like?

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If we dropped a
camera in the room,

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brought a microphone into
your inner dialogue--

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gosh, wouldn't we all love that.

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But if we dropped a microphone
into your inner dialogue,

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are you waking up looking
at the books and going,

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yeah, fresh day, let's learn or
is some of the same resistance

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that you've talked about
coming up around physical work,

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is that coming up
from time to time?

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DAVID GOGGINS: You know
what, I was nervous at first.

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I'm going to keep it real.

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I'm going to keep it real.

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So I'm not a real smart guy.

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And what I mean by that is
I was born with ADD, ADHD.

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Like my brain cannot
retain information.

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I'm not some genetic freak
when it comes to running,

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when it comes to
lifting weights.

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I am absolutely the
bottom of the barrel.

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And people will
never believe me.

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And they can just whatever.

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Believe what you
want to believe.

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So when you ask me this question
about what does studying look

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like for me, I have to go over
the same page over, and over,

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and over, and over again, while
Jennifer can look at that page

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while she's quizzing me,
she'll learn it right then

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as she's-- she didn't
know anything about it.

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She will quiz herself
or quiz me and learn it

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as she's quizzing me.

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It's the most frustrating
thing in the world

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how my brain works.

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So what I do is I literally
sit there with a pen and paper.

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And I have my books.

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And I go through and
have to write everything

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down every single day.

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I will study the
same page until it's

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photographic memory from
writing the same thing down.

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And then from there, I'll go
back through and relearn it

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again.

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So I'll learn the bulk of it.

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But then I'll go through
and learn the small things

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within that.

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So if it's a medication, I'll
learn what the medication does.

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First, I'll learn
how to even say

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the medication because
these medications aren't

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like albuterol.

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No, it's very big words.

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So I'll go through, learn
how to say the name.

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Then I'll go through
learn what the dose is.

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Then I'll go through-- and
this is like every single day.

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So it's not like, oh, I got it.

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Let's just go through--
no, nothing is I got it.

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Every single thing--
so I can't wait

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to get in this conversation
because everything

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I do in life, it sucks.

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Everything I do
in life, it sucks.

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That's why when I was 300
pounds and 24 years old,

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it wasn't like I had some
big epiphany of let's just

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go be a Navy SEAL, and
let's lose some weight.

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No, I knew my entire
life was going

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to be a struggle, which
is why I just ignored it.

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And I said, I'm not even trying
to jump off any of this shit

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and learn how to read, how
to write, how to memorize,

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how to become
something I am not.

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But through that process,
something happened to me.

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And I realized-- this is
why I feel sorry for no one.

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In this podcast, they're
going to really not like me

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because people
are going to think

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that I am maybe lying or
maybe fibbing or exaggerating.

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No, I am literally--

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I was the lowest form on Earth,
no talent, no ability to learn.

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And I literally know what
it is to be rock bottom

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and to build that up.

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So that question about
learning is the pain in my ass.

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And I don't have to do it.

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Just think about it.

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I'm 49 years old, and
I'm a multi-millionaire.

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I don't have to do anything.

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So all I thought about
when I was growing up

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is, man, I can't wait to
one day get to the point

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where I no longer
have to do this stuff.

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But what happened
as I got older,

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it became a way of living.

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So how I do every day
is how I do every day.

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It's a discipline.

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It's a regimen.

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It was a choice I made.

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And the choice I made was what
are you willing to sacrifice,

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and what are you willing to
give up to find every bit of who

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you are as a human being?

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And I was willing to give
up everything to do that.

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So studying is no joke.

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ANDREW HUBERMAN: I love
that you're studying.

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I recall a few years ago, I
heard some interview or podcast

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with you.

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And you just threw out like I
don't know what I'll do next.

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Maybe I'll be a scientist.

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And I went yeah.

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Because I knew-- because
I know you a bit.

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And I see your work
out there, but we

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had met before,
that if you decided

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that you were going to do it--

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and learning medicine,
which is what you're doing,

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learning human physiology
is so detailed.

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DAVID GOGGINS: Very.

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ANDREW HUBERMAN:
And people out there

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have to understand when
you look at a textbook

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and you see the veins and the
capillaries different colors,

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when the body is open,
they're not different colors.

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DAVID GOGGINS:
Right, right, right.

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ANDREW HUBERMAN: So
I mean, some things

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have different color
contrasts, but it's not

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like it's all labeled
when you pop it open.

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DAVID GOGGINS: Exactly.

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ANDREW HUBERMAN: And so the
process of writing things down

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by hand is important for you.

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So you go back and
read those notes.

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Do you think about
that stuff on your runs

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too or are you
segmenting your day

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like when you're done studying,
are you heading out for a run

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and thinking about other things?

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Or are you still rehearsing
the material in your head?

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DAVID GOGGINS: So when I write
it down, I write it down,

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and I'm able to--

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I'm actually looking
down at this table

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right now because
I'm back to writing.

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So I'm actually there right
now as I'm speaking to you.

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I write it down in a way
that I'm memorizing page 69.

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So I'm writing it down.

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So then writing it down and that
page sync together in my brain.

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So I'm looking at the book
in my brain right now.

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That's just how it works for me.

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And I have to do it
over and over again.

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So that page is
stuck in my mind.

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So I'm literally
flipping through pages

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as I'm taking these tests.

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And I'm taking these national
tests to become a paramedic

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or become an advanced
EMT or whatever.

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I'm literally as I'm taking
that test I'm going through.

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And I'm like-- now I'm
flipping pages in my head

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where that page was.

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And how I do that is
just from how I write it

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and how it's on the page.

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When I run, I can't
recall any of it.

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I cannot bring any of
that because I'm running.

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How my mind is wired now is that
everything I do is what I do.

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Because the focus it takes for
me to-- right now, I'm running.

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I'm not like a great runner.

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I'm not like injury free.

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So like my first 20 minutes
of the run I'm limping.

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I'm literally
limping because I've

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had several knee surgeries.

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And my body was twisted.

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And so now it's untwisting.

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So people look at me, oh, looks,
like he's limping when he runs.

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I am limping when I run.

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My body is jacked
up so I'm focusing

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on how to get the best
out of a broken body.

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So everything I do
is a total focus

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on what I'm doing at
that point in my life.

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ANDREW HUBERMAN: So it
seems like you've really

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trained away or somehow
gotten away from the ADD

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that you mentioned
because what you described

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is like a deep trench.

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It's like a V shaped trench.

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I'm imagining like
there's a ball bearing,

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and it's like, phewp, and it can
only go forward in that trench

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or back.

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And it goes forward.

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It's not like sliding around
at the concave at the bottom,

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zip-zip-zip, like a tension.

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So it's like you
trained that up.

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Is there a similar
feeling when you're

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in the full focus of running
versus full focus of studying?

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Does it kind of
feel like, oh yeah,

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that's the same groove but
different thing or is it

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just completely different world?

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DAVID GOGGINS: It's a
completely different world.

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Both of them for
me is suffering,

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but it's suffering a
whole different way.

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Like when I was going through
school, I never forget--

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I think I was in third grade.

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And back then, ADD, ADHD,
wasn't like here's this medicine

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or here's this thing.

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They want to put you
in a special school.

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So for me, I was so
far behind in learning

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that their big thing
was let's just put him

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in a special school
because he'll never learn.

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And through that
process of like I

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don't want to be in
a special school,

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I don't want to be treated
any differently, it really--

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like I never took medication.

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I've never taken
medication for this.

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That's why right now you see
me looking right in your eyes.

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What the hell is Huberman
saying right now.

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And that's why I don't feel
bad for people who have ADHD,

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who have learning disabilities.

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And some are impossible
because you just can't.

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But a lot of them you can.

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But people don't want to go
through the process of focus,

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of teaching yourself
how to truly focus.

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This is where my
message gets lost.

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It gets lost because I may
say MF or F because that's

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the passion that
comes out of me.

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It takes everything for
me to learn a sentence.

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So when I speak
about David Goggins,

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I can't speak about David
Goggins in a way that's

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just calm and cool.

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Because when I wake
up, I know the journey

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that it takes for me
to find my greatness.

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And it's hard.

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Nothing is easy.

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Nothing just like, oh, I
wake up, and I just do this

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or I do that or it just--
no, I watch people every day

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go through life,
and it's so easy.

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For me to be where I'm at
today, it takes every bit of me.

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So when I speak about it,
and as I get going here,

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you'll start seeing me--
the tempo will rise.

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The passion will come out
because I'm back there.

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I'm doing what I do every
day to become a human being.

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And so nothing is easy.

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Like running is running.

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It sucks.

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But you have a choice to make.

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Do you want to sit down and go
back to that guy you once were?

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No.

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So this is what it takes.

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It takes that
misunderstanding of people.

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And they'll never get it because
they were never David Goggins.

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So that is what it takes
for me to do what I do.

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It may take you
something differently.

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So for me, everything
has to be in the study.

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Everything has to be into this.

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Everything has to
be in-- everywhere

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I am it has to be there,
me, focused where I am.

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That's why you're
my second podcast

492
00:20:15,010 --> 00:20:17,360
I've done since Rogan,
since the book came out.

493
00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:21,080
I don't have time for that shit
because if I want to be great,

494
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,750
I'm not trying to maximize money
or maximize people knowing me.

495
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:29,020
I do these things because
maybe someone out there will

496
00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:33,490
understand me and get it and
say, I can grow from this guy,

497
00:20:33,490 --> 00:20:35,460
and others just won't.

498
00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:37,710
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Sounds
like friction is something

499
00:20:37,710 --> 00:20:39,300
you're very familiar with.

500
00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:41,850
It's a word just I feel
like is like cast above us

501
00:20:41,850 --> 00:20:44,100
right now in bold face,
highlighted, underlined

502
00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:44,680
letters.

503
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:45,615
DAVID GOGGINS:
Friction is growth.

504
00:20:45,615 --> 00:20:48,150
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Friction,
like you're up in the morning.

505
00:20:48,150 --> 00:20:51,510
And I imagine David Goggins
going to the coffee maker,

506
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:53,430
stretching out, good
morning, sunshine.

507
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:57,582
And you're telling me from
eyelids open there's friction.

508
00:20:57,582 --> 00:20:59,790
DAVID GOGGINS: Yes, and that
is the thing that people

509
00:20:59,790 --> 00:21:02,320
don't-- they don't fucking get.

510
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,630
The biggest misunderstanding
about David Goggins

511
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:05,860
of all time--

512
00:21:05,860 --> 00:21:07,930
it's like whether you
believe in God or not--

513
00:21:07,930 --> 00:21:14,000
I do-- he put this lab rat,
which is me, on this planet

514
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,140
and said let me fucking
see what a beat up,

515
00:21:18,140 --> 00:21:23,300
abused kid who can barely
learn, barely learn,

516
00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:28,250
who has a twisted body, messed
up genetics, sickle cell, this

517
00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:31,160
and that, let me
give him everything

518
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,950
that pretty much disqualifies
you from the military.

519
00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:38,030
But back then, it wasn't as--
and let's put him in this

520
00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:39,810
and see what comes out of it.

521
00:21:39,810 --> 00:21:42,260
So to do that, friction--

522
00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:43,910
you don't wake up
in the morning time

523
00:21:43,910 --> 00:21:45,350
and go to the coffee maker.

524
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:47,670
Matter of fact, sometimes
you don't even sleep.

525
00:21:47,670 --> 00:21:50,090
What it requires
is when I'm at--

526
00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:52,810
2 o'clock-- it's 2
o'clock in the morning.

527
00:21:52,810 --> 00:21:55,270
And my brain is thinking
about a fucking drug.

528
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:57,460
And I got to get up
and look in my book

529
00:21:57,460 --> 00:22:00,490
to see what that drug
is, how I remember it.

530
00:22:00,490 --> 00:22:04,370
And this is every day
of my fucking life.

531
00:22:04,370 --> 00:22:06,760
That's why when I train a
fighter or I train someone,

532
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,310
I'm like, you have no fucking
idea how great you really

533
00:22:09,310 --> 00:22:14,338
are because you are
using such minimal,

534
00:22:14,338 --> 00:22:16,730
minimal of what you have.

535
00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:21,530
And if people can learn to
focus, this is what's possible.

536
00:22:21,530 --> 00:22:23,367
While it may not
be pretty-- like

537
00:22:23,367 --> 00:22:24,950
people want to do a
documentary on me.

538
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:26,526
I go no.

539
00:22:26,526 --> 00:22:28,980
I don't want to do
a documentary on me

540
00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:32,340
because I will have normal
everyday people picking me

541
00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:33,510
apart.

542
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:35,490
Oh, his life is miserable.

543
00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:38,160
Who wants to live like that?

544
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,620
It's crazy how he-- it's
almost like he's sick.

545
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:41,700
He's psychotic.

547
00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:46,770
The most frustrating
thing in the world for me

548
00:22:46,770 --> 00:22:50,460
is when normal people
judge a man like myself

549
00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:57,620
on what it really takes to
extract greatness from nothing.

550
00:22:57,620 --> 00:23:02,200
It takes every bit of who you
are if you choose that route.

551
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,420
If you don't, Merry Christmas,
do what you got to do.

552
00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:09,825
But, yeah, all these
things for me--

553
00:23:09,825 --> 00:23:12,180
like I told you, man, I'm
going to keep it real.

554
00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:18,150
I'm not coming here to talk
about perform without purpose

555
00:23:18,150 --> 00:23:19,680
because I go through--

556
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,170
when I write these
books, I go through,

557
00:23:22,170 --> 00:23:25,180
I try to dumb down
David Goggins.

558
00:23:25,180 --> 00:23:28,240
How can I give normal
people-- and I'm normal.

559
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,000
But I found something that
most don't want to find.

560
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,190
How can I speak to
people and give them

561
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:36,590
something from this crazy
psychotic brain that I've

562
00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:37,090
developed?

563
00:23:37,090 --> 00:23:38,270
How can I give them that?

564
00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:41,170
So I sit down with
Jennifer for years

565
00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:44,320
and write down perform
without purpose,

566
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,940
callus your mind, armor
your mind, the cookie jar,

567
00:23:48,940 --> 00:23:52,150
the accountability mirror, shit
that people can fucking use

568
00:23:52,150 --> 00:23:53,110
in their lives.

569
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:57,230
No, no, I'm glad it helps you.

570
00:23:57,230 --> 00:24:02,780
But the barbaric life that I
live that you have to live,

571
00:24:02,780 --> 00:24:06,110
the almost obsession that
you must have to be great,

572
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:08,900
you can't put that shit
in a fucking book, bro.

573
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:10,085
You can't put in a book.

574
00:24:10,085 --> 00:24:11,310
You can't.

575
00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:12,920
You can't write about it.

576
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:13,850
ANDREW HUBERMAN: It
has to be experienced.

577
00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:15,517
DAVID GOGGINS: It has
to be experienced.

578
00:24:15,517 --> 00:24:16,640
And you can't even--

579
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,070
after you experience it,
to write it in the book,

580
00:24:21,070 --> 00:24:24,157
it would seem like he
needs to be locked up.

581
00:24:24,157 --> 00:24:25,240
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Too gory.

582
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,080
DAVID GOGGINS: It's too gory.

583
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,150
Doesn't make sense for
a guy that everything,

584
00:24:28,150 --> 00:24:31,840
every second of the
day he is trying

585
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,890
to extract more from something.

586
00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:36,450
He's constantly thinking.

587
00:24:36,450 --> 00:24:38,460
He's constantly,
constantly disciplined,

588
00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:40,050
never going off the path.

589
00:24:40,050 --> 00:24:43,410
Whatever is injured on
him, he figures away.

590
00:24:43,410 --> 00:24:46,740
It's a conquerors mindset.

591
00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:52,610
And very few people, if any, can
really understand what that is.

592
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:55,920
Like I'm almost 50.

593
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,830
And I've been this way
for almost 30 years.

594
00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:02,520
Like what do you do for fun?

595
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,460
These questions,
I don't get them.

596
00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:05,460
I don't understand them.

597
00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:06,447
I don't-- so yeah.

598
00:25:06,447 --> 00:25:08,280
ANDREW HUBERMAN: I get
asked that sometimes,

599
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:08,860
what do you do for fun.

600
00:25:08,860 --> 00:25:11,700
I start listing off all this
stuff like podcasting, reading,

601
00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:13,650
working out.

602
00:25:13,650 --> 00:25:15,060
So some of that resonates.

603
00:25:15,060 --> 00:25:19,390
But I think what's so
truly unusual about what

604
00:25:19,390 --> 00:25:25,660
you're describing, your process
is that from go it's hard.

605
00:25:25,660 --> 00:25:29,953
And I have to ask was being 300
pounds, having essentially--

606
00:25:29,953 --> 00:25:31,495
I'm using the words
you've described.

607
00:25:31,495 --> 00:25:32,110
DAVID GOGGINS: No, do it.

608
00:25:32,110 --> 00:25:33,735
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
You've said it before.

609
00:25:33,735 --> 00:25:35,890
You had a tendency at one
point in your life early

610
00:25:35,890 --> 00:25:38,485
on tell lies, try and
get people's approval.

611
00:25:38,485 --> 00:25:40,120
DAVID GOGGINS: Lied my ass off.

612
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:43,420
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Crazy
haircuts, attention seeking,

613
00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:47,980
and yet all of that
triggered something

614
00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:52,890
that now is extraordinary.

615
00:25:52,890 --> 00:25:56,010
Do you think those
hardships were

616
00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:58,445
necessary to flip the switch?

617
00:25:58,445 --> 00:26:00,570
DAVID GOGGINS: I don't know
if they were necessary,

618
00:26:00,570 --> 00:26:04,260
but it was something
that made me feel--

619
00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:06,380
I didn't feel good.

620
00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:08,880
It was easy.

621
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,310
The brain that I was
given as a child,

622
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:14,590
it was easy to go
home and think about,

623
00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:17,150
how do I want to
be a freak today?

624
00:26:17,150 --> 00:26:19,730
How do I want to show up to
school today and be a freak?

625
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:23,600
It didn't require me going home
and opening a book up saying,

626
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,510
it's going to take me all year
to learn this fucking page.

627
00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:29,280
So instead of
learning that page,

628
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,300
I learned how to
become a character.

629
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:36,840
And maybe that character
that I created,

630
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,930
that 300 pound,
insecure guy that

631
00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:43,335
used to fake it till
I make it type of guy,

632
00:26:43,335 --> 00:26:45,810
let me become your
friend, let me lie to you

633
00:26:45,810 --> 00:26:48,910
until you like me type of guy--

634
00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:55,380
when you have any manhood,
womanhood, a human being,

635
00:26:55,380 --> 00:26:58,545
a soul, a spirit, any--

636
00:26:58,545 --> 00:27:02,370
I must have just this much
pride because that's exactly

637
00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:03,720
what opened the door for me.

638
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,430
Because every day,
you were a character.

639
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:06,597
Every day, you were a clown.

640
00:27:06,597 --> 00:27:11,400
Every day, you opened that
Spanish book or that science

641
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,710
book or English book,
and you looked at it.

642
00:27:13,710 --> 00:27:17,025
It looked like a
foreign language.

643
00:27:17,025 --> 00:27:20,200
And you're saying,
where do I start?

644
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,820
Where do I start?

645
00:27:21,820 --> 00:27:24,258
And, obviously,
it was necessary.

646
00:27:24,258 --> 00:27:26,550
The more I talk about it, it
was necessary because what

647
00:27:26,550 --> 00:27:31,140
happened is I became
haunted by the mere fact

648
00:27:31,140 --> 00:27:33,540
that this is my existence.

649
00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:35,895
And you got to live with that.

650
00:27:35,895 --> 00:27:38,050
And I lived with it
for a lot of years.

651
00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:41,370
And so I sat back and
said, OK, all right,

652
00:27:41,370 --> 00:27:42,600
I know what this takes.

653
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,780
And when you sit back,
as fucked up as I was--

654
00:27:46,780 --> 00:27:50,650
and I had a laundry
list, a table

655
00:27:50,650 --> 00:27:53,170
like this of what I
have to do to become

656
00:27:53,170 --> 00:27:57,280
just a human being that
can make ends meet,

657
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,080
that can make $1,000 a month.

658
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,850
Just to get there was like,
oh my god, dude, like how--

659
00:28:03,850 --> 00:28:06,440
I'm 16, 17, I can't read.

660
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,580
I can't write.

661
00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:11,530
Oh my god, I'm so
behind the power curve.

662
00:28:11,530 --> 00:28:13,810
And my brain is about
being depressed.

663
00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:15,490
And my dad beat--
my mom's not home.

664
00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:17,830
And kids are calling
me nigger at school.

665
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:21,950
And I'm like, oh my god,
man, what the fuck do I do?

666
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:23,950
And it wasn't like someone
came around and said,

667
00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:26,890
hey, man, you can do this.

668
00:28:26,890 --> 00:28:28,810
This is all me.

669
00:28:28,810 --> 00:28:32,170
Some people want to know where
does this cold man come from.

670
00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:34,690
I'm not trying to be cold.

671
00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:36,520
It's the reality of my life.

672
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,260
It's the reality of a
lot of people's lives.

673
00:28:39,260 --> 00:28:43,930
And so, yeah, that had to
happen for me to be haunted,

674
00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:46,330
to be haunted, to
pull out, to extract

675
00:28:46,330 --> 00:28:47,680
the guy that I am today.

676
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,460
That haunting is something
that's still there today

677
00:28:51,460 --> 00:28:53,500
because no matter
how much you improve,

678
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:57,180
no matter how much you
change who you are,

679
00:28:57,180 --> 00:28:59,260
it's not permanent.

680
00:28:59,260 --> 00:29:03,135
You don't just wake up
and say, oh my god, man,

681
00:29:03,135 --> 00:29:04,410
you're David Goggins.

682
00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:05,320
You break records.

683
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:05,820
You do this.

684
00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:06,400
You do that.

685
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:12,000
People want to know, how are
you able to just be so hard?

686
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,320
Because I never turn
the fucking thing off.

687
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,810
Because once it turns
off, I go right back

688
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:19,940
to the David Goggins that is.

689
00:29:19,940 --> 00:29:23,150
And that's the guy that I'm
constantly fighting every day.

690
00:29:23,150 --> 00:29:24,900
And it's a choice.

691
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:27,200
And that choice makes
you misunderstood.

692
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,340
It makes you crazy.

693
00:29:28,340 --> 00:29:31,280
That's why I hate
fucking social media.

694
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,460
In 2013, people wanted
me to write my book.

695
00:29:35,460 --> 00:29:37,230
I did it in 2018.

696
00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:39,010
Took five years.

697
00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:40,750
And the reason why
I didn't do it--

698
00:29:40,750 --> 00:29:42,780
I sat at the table,
and Jennifer was there.

699
00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:45,300
This was before she
started working for me,

700
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,050
I started dating
her or whatever.

701
00:29:47,050 --> 00:29:48,840
And all these people were there.

702
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,600
And they're like, man, you
got to go on social media.

703
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,630
And I was like, fuck you, man.

704
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:56,070
It's poison.

705
00:29:56,070 --> 00:30:00,270
It's poison because I knew
what I did to get where I am.

706
00:30:00,270 --> 00:30:01,860
And I'm going to
have these people,

707
00:30:01,860 --> 00:30:06,870
these normal, everyday
people, fat, lazy,

708
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:11,020
exactly who I was judging me.

709
00:30:11,020 --> 00:30:13,630
Because I know it
because I was once them.

710
00:30:13,630 --> 00:30:15,610
All my hard work,
all my dedication,

711
00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:17,830
I'm going to have
some normal dude get

712
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:20,950
his little brownie, his little
Ding Dong, Ho Ho, Twinkie,

713
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:24,760
sit there with his
coffee picking me apart.

714
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,070
Oh, he must be unhappy.

715
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:29,980
Do you know how hard it
is to put these shoes

716
00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:30,940
on every damn morning?

717
00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:33,670
And I'm gonna have
you pick me apart?

718
00:30:33,670 --> 00:30:39,970
So, yeah, there's so
much that goes into this

719
00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:42,340
that I was like fuck this.

720
00:30:42,340 --> 00:30:44,920
I never wanted
anything to do with it.

721
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,620
So anyway.

722
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:50,290
ANDREW HUBERMAN: I'm
not a psychologist.

723
00:30:50,290 --> 00:30:53,180
But knowing your story
from what you've written,

724
00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:54,850
what you've said
on social media,

725
00:30:54,850 --> 00:30:58,450
and elsewhere, podcasts and
here now especially, it's

726
00:30:58,450 --> 00:31:00,975
amazing to me, and,
frankly, it pulls

727
00:31:00,975 --> 00:31:02,350
at my heartstrings
a little bit I

728
00:31:02,350 --> 00:31:04,142
realize that's not what
you're trying to do

729
00:31:04,142 --> 00:31:07,480
but that in the course of your
childhood and in your young

730
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,350
adulthood that no one ever
got between you and the world.

731
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:14,380
I forget where I heard it
that if a kid has just one

732
00:31:14,380 --> 00:31:16,060
person that believes in them--

733
00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:17,830
and I had my trials
and tribulations.

734
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:20,260
But I had great
coaches, great mentors.

735
00:31:20,260 --> 00:31:21,440
I attached to them.

736
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,800
I found them if they
didn't necessarily find me.

737
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,360
But I'm realizing that your
situation was no one's ever

738
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,340
said, hey, I'm going to
stand here next to you

739
00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:33,880
or get in front of
you, put a shield up.

740
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:39,370
And so it's almost like
you've got these different--

741
00:31:39,370 --> 00:31:41,830
it's all you, but there's
versions of yourself--

742
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:44,500
that like you knew social
media-- like I don't know

743
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:47,610
that I have the wherewithal
in 2013 '14, '15, '16,

744
00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:50,570
'17 to get in front
of myself while doing

745
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:53,030
all this because I've already
got so much going on in here.

746
00:31:53,030 --> 00:31:53,952
Is that about right?

747
00:31:53,952 --> 00:31:55,160
DAVID GOGGINS: That is right.

748
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,510
But I had developed
a lot of anger.

749
00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:58,640
And I still have it.

750
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,660
And it will never go away
for the normal human beings

751
00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:06,550
of this world because when
you put yourself in the sewer

752
00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:09,880
like I was in-- and please,
if someone saved me,

753
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,970
come out and announce
it to the world.

754
00:32:12,970 --> 00:32:14,820
There was no one.

755
00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:16,050
There's no one.

756
00:32:16,050 --> 00:32:18,090
So when you know that--

757
00:32:18,090 --> 00:32:20,070
and then I'm
sitting at the table

758
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:21,960
with all these smart
people who are telling

759
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,300
me what to do and shit and
guiding me through my life

760
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:27,420
now when I'm 40
fucking years old.

761
00:32:27,420 --> 00:32:30,160
It's 2000-- I don't know
40-something years old.

762
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,380
Now I'm 49.

763
00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:32,720
And I'm looking at them all.

764
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,590
And they're now
trying to guide me

765
00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:39,130
on what's right on this poison.

766
00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:41,640
And so, yeah, what
you say is right.

767
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,400
But for me, it was
more of I know now.

768
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,150
I don't need you
to guide my future.

769
00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:53,480
I know what's good for
me and what's bad for me.

770
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,550
And for me, it took every
bit of focus I could.

771
00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:57,890
And I know social media--

772
00:32:57,890 --> 00:33:01,160
that's why people love to go on
there because they want to show

773
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,260
you the good side of life.

774
00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:07,905
I'm not teaching
good side of life.

775
00:33:07,905 --> 00:33:09,280
So I had to figure
out a way when

776
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:14,860
I came on 2016 of teaching
you what life really is

777
00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:17,520
for the majority of us is hell.

778
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,470
And so while people love to show
you the cars, and the house,

779
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:25,260
and the vacations and
shit, all that's good.

780
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:27,150
All that's happy.

781
00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:30,090
I'm going to show you the
side that I know most of you

782
00:33:30,090 --> 00:33:31,320
are going through.

783
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,930
And people hide very well.

784
00:33:33,930 --> 00:33:35,610
I don't want to hide anymore.

785
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:38,135
I hid it for 24 fucking years.

786
00:33:38,135 --> 00:33:39,510
So that's why now
when I told you

787
00:33:39,510 --> 00:33:41,490
we can talk about
whatever you want

788
00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:46,330
because as human beings, the
first thing we have to learn--

789
00:33:46,330 --> 00:33:47,895
I also stuttered
real bad growing up.

790
00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:49,770
So if you hear me stutter
every now and then,

791
00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:53,760
it's because that was
part of my life also.

792
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,710
So it's funny.

793
00:33:55,710 --> 00:33:57,660
Human beings want to
show you the best side.

794
00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:59,700
And they want to
hide the worst side.

795
00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:01,800
For me, I'm going
to teach you how

796
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,650
to be vulnerable because that's
the only way you fix yourself.

797
00:34:05,650 --> 00:34:07,720
You don't fix yourself
by coming out here

798
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,830
and me selling you
some fucking books.

799
00:34:09,830 --> 00:34:11,230
That's why I don't have them.

800
00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:13,060
I forgot them.

801
00:34:13,060 --> 00:34:16,480
I'm glad people got
something from the book.

802
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,300
I want you to learn that
the only way you grow

803
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,150
is how to look at
yourself and say, OK,

804
00:34:24,150 --> 00:34:28,150
like I did, table longer than
this, what the fuck I have

805
00:34:28,150 --> 00:34:30,190
to do to get somewhere?

806
00:34:30,190 --> 00:34:32,985
There was nothing good
on there, nothing.

807
00:34:32,985 --> 00:34:34,360
Yeah, I loved
playing basketball.

808
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,500
I left that out.

809
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:37,340
That's something I love to do.

810
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:38,409
I don't care about that.

811
00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:40,449
That didn't make
the fucking list

812
00:34:40,449 --> 00:34:42,670
because the list
that I had to live by

813
00:34:42,670 --> 00:34:45,460
was the very list that was
going to get me at this table

814
00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:50,630
with you to talk to you to
the normal human beings, which

815
00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:55,699
I once was, about how you can
get somewhere and how it looks.

816
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:58,530
It looks very ugly.

817
00:34:58,530 --> 00:35:00,450
There's no fucking passion.

818
00:35:00,450 --> 00:35:02,250
There's no fucking motivation.

819
00:35:02,250 --> 00:35:05,010
There's no, oh my
god, man, I fucking--

820
00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:11,110
no, it's every day of
your life just doing,

821
00:35:11,110 --> 00:35:15,580
no passion, no discipline, no
motivation, all these words.

822
00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:17,830
I hate that so many people
fucking use these words now

823
00:35:17,830 --> 00:35:20,260
because it's watered.

824
00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:22,390
Someone sitting in
the room by themselves

825
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:24,490
and they figure themselves
out and say, god, this

826
00:35:24,490 --> 00:35:27,540
is going to fucking suck.

827
00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:31,290
Where's passion when
you're 300 pounds?

828
00:35:31,290 --> 00:35:33,720
Where's the motivation when
you can't read and write?

829
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:34,860
Where is it?

830
00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:36,850
So how did this happen?

831
00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:38,700
I just fucking did.

832
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:40,123
I just did.

833
00:35:40,123 --> 00:35:41,790
I said maybe at the
end of this journey,

834
00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:43,332
there will be
something there for me.

835
00:35:43,332 --> 00:35:46,140
If not, I can read.

836
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:50,150
If not, I'm 185 fucking pounds.

837
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:52,020
There was no magic potion.

838
00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:55,410
There was no, oh, let me wake
up and look at some shit.

839
00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:56,130
No.

840
00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:58,350
All those words are overused.

841
00:35:58,350 --> 00:35:59,850
They're bullshit.

842
00:35:59,850 --> 00:36:01,290
It's all bullshit.

843
00:36:01,290 --> 00:36:02,550
Just do.

844
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:03,970
You're living.

845
00:36:03,970 --> 00:36:05,220
How do you want to live?

846
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:06,630
How do you want to die?

847
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:09,810
How do you want to
fucking be remembered?

848
00:36:09,810 --> 00:36:11,040
That's it.

849
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,420
That's it.

850
00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:13,718
Period.

851
00:36:13,718 --> 00:36:15,260
ANDREW HUBERMAN: As
many of you know,

852
00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:17,792
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daily since 2012.

853
00:36:17,792 --> 00:36:20,000
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854
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,653
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855
00:36:22,653 --> 00:36:25,070
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of your foundational nutrition

856
00:36:25,070 --> 00:36:25,570
needs.

857
00:36:25,570 --> 00:36:28,010
Now, of course, I try to get
enough servings of vitamins

858
00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:30,710
and minerals through whole foods
sources that include vegetables

859
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:31,880
and fruits every day.

860
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,550
But, oftentimes, I simply
can't get enough servings.

861
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:37,800
But with AG1, I'm sure to get
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862
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,480
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863
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,470
And it also contains adaptogens
to help buffer stress.

864
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:45,380
Simply put, I always feel
better when I take AG1.

865
00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:47,960
I have more focus and
energy, and I sleep better.

866
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,120
And it also happens
to taste great.

867
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,650
For all these
reasons, whenever I'm

868
00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:54,680
asked if you could take just
one supplement what would it be,

869
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,330
I answer AG1.

870
00:36:56,330 --> 00:37:01,370
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871
00:37:01,370 --> 00:37:02,490
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872
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873
00:37:04,070 --> 00:37:07,040
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874
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,910
Again, that's
drinkag1.com/huberman.

875
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:13,910
The word haunted is
ringing in my head.

876
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:15,845
DAVID GOGGINS: Yep.

877
00:37:15,845 --> 00:37:17,970
ANDREW HUBERMAN: I think
it's such a powerful word.

878
00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:18,780
DAVID GOGGINS: Yep.

879
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:21,030
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
Because I was about to m

880
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:24,000
it seems like a huge part
of your process, maybe

881
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,540
the entire process, is
it's all stick no carrot,

882
00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:29,800
you talk about the carrot,
the positive thing.

883
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,400
And then there's the stick, the
thing you're trying to avoid.

884
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:38,100
I feel like it's-- the way
it's landing for me is it's all

885
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:39,068
stick and gas pedal.

886
00:37:39,068 --> 00:37:40,110
DAVID GOGGINS: That's it.

887
00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:41,790
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
There's no carrot.

888
00:37:41,790 --> 00:37:44,430
You're not imagining, oh,
when I'm a paramedic, when

889
00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:45,600
the book is published.

890
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,100
And, obviously, you
set those goals,

891
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,480
and you make those targets.

892
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,988
But it's all stick.

893
00:37:49,988 --> 00:37:51,030
DAVID GOGGINS: All stick.

894
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:52,155
ANDREW HUBERMAN: No carrot.

895
00:37:52,155 --> 00:37:54,260
DAVID GOGGINS: Think about that.

896
00:37:54,260 --> 00:37:56,720
I'm waking up
right now studying.

897
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,120
Like I have a test tomorrow.

898
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,730
I already passed
the fucking test.

899
00:38:01,730 --> 00:38:03,410
Think about that.

900
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:06,370
Every day in my life,
that's what I must do just

901
00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:09,010
to retain what I learned.

902
00:38:09,010 --> 00:38:13,430
Four hours plus a day, I
go through and do that.

903
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:14,480
There's no stick.

904
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,200
Or there's only a stick.

905
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,320
There's never been
a carrot, which

906
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:25,190
is why when I speak to
people, I have to figure out

907
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:27,950
a way to resonate with them.

908
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:30,020
Because all I want
to say to them

909
00:38:30,020 --> 00:38:35,512
is let me teach you the
real life, how it really is.

910
00:38:35,512 --> 00:38:37,970
The reason why you're a loser
and the reason why you're not

911
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:40,220
fucking making it and
the reason why you're

912
00:38:40,220 --> 00:38:41,370
trying to go to all these--

913
00:38:41,370 --> 00:38:42,953
I go to all these
fucking conventions,

914
00:38:42,953 --> 00:38:44,808
speak all the fucking time.

915
00:38:44,808 --> 00:38:46,100
I look in the fucking audience.

916
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:48,950
And these people
sign up, sign up,

917
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:50,950
sign up fucking every
year go to a convention,

918
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:53,450
thinking they're going to learn
something fucking different.

919
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:55,700
No, you're lazy.

920
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:58,850
You know exactly what to
do, exactly what to do.

921
00:38:58,850 --> 00:39:03,050
Because even me in my state
of I can't read and write,

922
00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:06,080
I knew exactly what to do.

923
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,260
It just sucks doing it.

924
00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:10,510
It sucks to do it.

925
00:39:10,510 --> 00:39:13,000
It sucks to wake up every
morning of your life

926
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,580
and say, god, man,
I'm not smart.

927
00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:18,310
So guess what I got to do.

928
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:21,610
I got to study the same shit
that I got one of the highest

929
00:39:21,610 --> 00:39:26,480
scores in the nation on and
do it again, and do it again,

930
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,180
and do it again.

931
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:28,660
It's not just there.

932
00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:30,930
It's not just there
permanently for me.

933
00:39:30,930 --> 00:39:33,150
So, yeah, it's all stick.

934
00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:35,980
It's all stick.

935
00:39:35,980 --> 00:39:42,500
The only carrot you have
is like maybe, maybe.

936
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:45,770
Because whenever I take these
tests that are real hard,

937
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:48,220
the back of my brain
is like a good chance

938
00:39:48,220 --> 00:39:50,230
you're not going to
make it, Goggins.

939
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:52,980
This ain't you, bro.

940
00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:53,730
This ain't you.

941
00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:55,750
You weren't born like this.

942
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:56,680
This ain't you.

943
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,230
The real you, bro--

944
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:59,160
study all you want to.

945
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,720
But the second that
fucking computer

946
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:05,560
comes on with 150 questions,
this ain't you, man.

947
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,360
And somehow, comes back.

948
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,550
I passed.

949
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:11,010
I passed again, passed again.

950
00:40:11,010 --> 00:40:14,130
But that real me back
here every fucking time

951
00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:17,925
is saying that ain't you, bro.

952
00:40:17,925 --> 00:40:19,170
That ain't you.

953
00:40:19,170 --> 00:40:22,950
And I have to
outwork that voice.

954
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:24,600
When I'm taking
that test and I get

955
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,730
to a question I don't
fucking know the answer,

956
00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:27,810
I'm like fuck, man.

957
00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:30,916
And then say, see
I told you, man.

958
00:40:30,916 --> 00:40:33,030
That ain't you.

959
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:34,170
You're 300 pounds, man.

960
00:40:34,170 --> 00:40:34,837
You sit at home.

961
00:40:34,837 --> 00:40:36,870
You figure out how
to do your hair.

962
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:38,940
That's what you do,
how to come to school

963
00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:42,756
with the reverse
baldness when you're 16.

964
00:40:42,756 --> 00:40:44,400
That's you.

965
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,480
So there is no get
out of jail free card.

966
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,520
This is why I say stay hard.

967
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,070
Because when you
weren't given the gifts,

968
00:40:54,070 --> 00:40:58,180
the only thing you can
do in life is stay hard.

969
00:40:58,180 --> 00:41:01,090
And I know people
cannot stand me.

970
00:41:01,090 --> 00:41:04,500
They can't stand this talk.

971
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:07,530
This is all you can do.

972
00:41:07,530 --> 00:41:10,920
There's no magic pill
or a magic potion.

973
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,370
All you can do is
outwork the man

974
00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:17,370
that God created
or woman in you.

975
00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:20,940
And what that looks
like is unfun.

976
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:24,920
That's why I said, do not
do a documentary on me

977
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,650
because people will
not see the truth.

978
00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:29,510
They will see what
they want to see is

979
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:31,680
I don't want to live like that.

980
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,620
Good, good.

981
00:41:33,620 --> 00:41:35,330
And you will live
exactly the way

982
00:41:35,330 --> 00:41:38,060
you live now,
questioning who you are,

983
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:40,670
wondering what is
possible, wondering

984
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:42,620
what you are capable of doing.

985
00:41:42,620 --> 00:41:48,090
That's how that looks or you
can be me, which am I happy?

986
00:41:48,090 --> 00:41:48,635
I don't know.

987
00:41:48,635 --> 00:41:50,002
Never really thought about it.

988
00:41:50,002 --> 00:41:51,960
Don't really care about
it because all I really

989
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,168
cared about was when I looked
in that fucking mirror,

990
00:41:54,168 --> 00:41:55,650
I saw a piece of shit.

991
00:41:55,650 --> 00:41:59,780
Happiness wasn't on the mirror
at 16 or when I was 300 pounds.

992
00:41:59,780 --> 00:42:02,310
It wasn't like, I'm
looking for happiness.

993
00:42:02,310 --> 00:42:05,340
No, I'm looking at myself in
the mirror and say, all right,

994
00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:08,150
motherfucker, you
did it again today.

995
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:11,920
You're a bad boy
because that shit sucks.

996
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,182
I have about a couple of minutes
of that that I got the carrot.

997
00:42:16,182 --> 00:42:18,390
The second I lay down and
go to bed, the carrots gone

998
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:21,520
because I'm waking up all
through the night to check

999
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,430
the work I did that day.

1000
00:42:24,430 --> 00:42:25,835
Did I get this drug right?

1001
00:42:25,835 --> 00:42:26,710
Did I get this right?

1002
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:28,620
Did I get that right?

1003
00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:29,400
What did I do?

1004
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,550
Oh my god, fuck, I'm
already losing it.

1005
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:35,420
Stick.

1006
00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:37,760
ANDREW HUBERMAN: That
stick's haunting you.

1007
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,090
DAVID GOGGINS: Haunting me.

1008
00:42:38,090 --> 00:42:39,882
ANDREW HUBERMAN: It's
following you around.

1009
00:42:39,882 --> 00:42:41,630
So no picture of
Jordan on the wall.

1010
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:43,910
You're not listening to
YouTube inspiration video.

1011
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:44,660
DAVID GOGGINS: No.

1012
00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:46,910
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Those would
be all your voice anyway.

1013
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:47,540
[LAUGHTER]

1014
00:42:47,540 --> 00:42:50,780
You're not listening to
your top 10 favorite songs

1015
00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:54,305
just to get rolling and then
lace the shoes, hit the books.

1016
00:42:54,305 --> 00:42:55,203
It's all in here.

1017
00:42:55,203 --> 00:42:56,370
DAVID GOGGINS: All in there.

1018
00:42:56,370 --> 00:42:58,130
I used to do that
when I was fat.

1019
00:42:58,130 --> 00:43:01,550
Rocky, I mean,
that was my thing.

1020
00:43:01,550 --> 00:43:03,180
Round 14 was my thing.

1021
00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:09,720
And as I got older and older and
older, that started to go away.

1022
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:13,570
And I started to create--

1023
00:43:13,570 --> 00:43:15,630
I had all these people
that I used to watch.

1024
00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:21,360
Rocky was one, Barnes,
Elias from "Platoon,"

1025
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,680
Jack from "A Few Good Men" when
he's on the stand going crazy.

1026
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,500
I saw a lot of these
characters that I looked at

1027
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:31,210
and I was like, man, I
ain't got none of that.

1028
00:43:31,210 --> 00:43:33,730
But they were characters.

1029
00:43:33,730 --> 00:43:38,510
After a while, I lived
a life so disciplined

1030
00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:40,850
that every body
that I once looked

1031
00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:46,260
to, these fake characters,
I built that as a man.

1032
00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:50,070
And when I was younger, I
had this image in my mind

1033
00:43:50,070 --> 00:43:52,900
of what does a man
look like to me?

1034
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:58,120
And I got all these people
who are badasses, characters.

1035
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,820
And in my mind, I became that.

1036
00:44:01,820 --> 00:44:04,580
And that's what kept
me going a lot was

1037
00:44:04,580 --> 00:44:07,010
I had this pipe dream of
becoming a little bit of this

1038
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:08,552
and a little bit of
that because when

1039
00:44:08,552 --> 00:44:11,390
you have no parents
raising you and you

1040
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:16,970
have no role models growing
up, it's not daydreaming.

1041
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:25,920
You start to create a reality
like, mm, maybe I can be that.

1042
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,280
And after becoming
this guy, that

1043
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,280
is the biggest thing I
can ever do in my life is

1044
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,170
I became that guy.

1045
00:44:35,170 --> 00:44:37,130
That I once looked at
all these, guys and now

1046
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:39,940
I look at myself like, god,
who the fuck can do that?

1047
00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:41,410
I can.

1048
00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:43,750
But what it takes
is a discipline

1049
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:48,100
that no one can ever even--

1050
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:49,398
they don't understand it.

1051
00:44:49,398 --> 00:44:50,440
They don't understand it.

1052
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,770
But everybody has
the ability to do it,

1053
00:44:52,770 --> 00:44:53,990
but they just don't want to.

1054
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:55,430
They want to keep
asking questions

1055
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:57,540
and keep going to seminars.

1056
00:44:57,540 --> 00:44:59,730
And the greatness
is right in you.

1057
00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:00,990
And that's why once again--

1058
00:45:00,990 --> 00:45:04,810
I say this a million times here,
I do not feel sorry for you.

1059
00:45:04,810 --> 00:45:07,350
I will not sugarcoat
what I'm going

1060
00:45:07,350 --> 00:45:09,870
to say to you because
all of you know

1061
00:45:09,870 --> 00:45:12,460
what I'm saying is the truth.

1062
00:45:12,460 --> 00:45:14,525
Everybody knows it's the truth.

1063
00:45:14,525 --> 00:45:15,650
This is what it looks like.

1064
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:16,660
And you know it too.

1065
00:45:16,660 --> 00:45:18,043
You know it too.

1066
00:45:18,043 --> 00:45:20,710
If you ain't got nothing, I hate
to tell you what it looks like.

1067
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:21,710
It's ugly.

1068
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:22,970
It's not a documentary.

1069
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:24,310
It's not an HBO special.

1070
00:45:24,310 --> 00:45:25,420
You ain't going to
watch me like, hey, man,

1071
00:45:25,420 --> 00:45:26,290
you guys gotta watch this.

1072
00:45:26,290 --> 00:45:28,700
No, it's like, oh, god, this
looks like a train wreck.

1073
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:29,200
It's like a nightmare.

1074
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,050
This looks like this guy's got--
no, that's what it looks like.

1075
00:45:32,050 --> 00:45:34,420
Hard work looks horrible.

1076
00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:36,040
It's not motivating.

1077
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,738
It's not motivating at all.

1078
00:45:37,738 --> 00:45:40,030
It ain't like Rocky round 14
where he gets knocked down

1079
00:45:40,030 --> 00:45:42,130
and goes like this
to Apollo Creed.

1080
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:45,940
Looks like a man being
stuck in a fucking dungeon.

1081
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:48,550
And there's no fucking way out.

1082
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:49,855
But you have the fucking key.

1084
00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:55,190
But you refuse to use it.

1085
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:57,520
And that's nothing
motivating about that.

1086
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,587
So, yes, no documentary
on David Goggins.

1087
00:46:00,587 --> 00:46:01,920
ANDREW HUBERMAN: The real life--

1088
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,190
DAVID GOGGINS: The real life.

1089
00:46:02,190 --> 00:46:04,965
ANDREW HUBERMAN: --David
Goggins is the documentary.

1090
00:46:04,965 --> 00:46:07,280
It's already being written.

1091
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,210
You're it.

1092
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:08,570
DAVID GOGGINS: Right.

1093
00:46:08,570 --> 00:46:10,820
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Yeah, I'm going
to share a little neuroscience

1094
00:46:10,820 --> 00:46:11,450
tidbit.

1095
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:11,690
DAVID GOGGINS: Love it.

1096
00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:13,232
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
But I think it's one

1097
00:46:13,232 --> 00:46:14,630
that you'll appreciate.

1098
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:16,970
Most people don't
know this, but there's

1099
00:46:16,970 --> 00:46:20,810
a brain structure called the
anterior mid-cingulate cortex.

1100
00:46:20,810 --> 00:46:22,590
As we pointed out
before, that's a noun.

1101
00:46:22,590 --> 00:46:22,940
It's a name.

1102
00:46:22,940 --> 00:46:23,982
It doesn't mean anything.

1103
00:46:23,982 --> 00:46:26,955
We could call it
the Cookie Monster.

1104
00:46:26,955 --> 00:46:28,580
But what's interesting
about this brain

1105
00:46:28,580 --> 00:46:31,190
area is there are
now a lot of data

1106
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:36,570
in humans, not some mouse study,
showing that when people do

1107
00:46:36,570 --> 00:46:39,750
something they don't
want to do like add three

1108
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:43,290
hours of exercise
per day or per week

1109
00:46:43,290 --> 00:46:46,050
or when people who are trying
to diet and lose weight

1110
00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:49,820
resist eating something,
when people do anything

1111
00:46:49,820 --> 00:46:51,570
that they, and this
is the important part,

1112
00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:54,810
that they don't want to do,
it's not about adding more work.

1113
00:46:54,810 --> 00:46:58,200
It's about adding more work
that you don't want to do.

1114
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,055
This brain area gets bigger.

1115
00:47:00,055 --> 00:47:02,430
Now here's what's especially
interesting about this brain

1116
00:47:02,430 --> 00:47:03,037
area to me.

1117
00:47:03,037 --> 00:47:04,620
And by the way, I'm
only learning this

1118
00:47:04,620 --> 00:47:07,080
recently because it's new data.

1119
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,700
But there's a lot of it.

1120
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:11,720
The anterior
mid-cingulate cortex

1121
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:14,850
is smaller in obese people.

1122
00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:17,430
It gets bigger when they diet.

1123
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:20,610
It's larger in athletes.

1124
00:47:20,610 --> 00:47:23,910
It's especially
large or grows larger

1125
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:27,360
in people that see
themselves as challenged

1126
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,630
and overcome some challenge.

1127
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:35,110
And in people that
live a very long time,

1128
00:47:35,110 --> 00:47:38,620
this area keeps its size.

1129
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:40,750
In many ways,
scientists are starting

1130
00:47:40,750 --> 00:47:43,540
to think of the anterior
mid-cingulate cortex not just

1131
00:47:43,540 --> 00:47:48,430
as one of the seats of
willpower but perhaps actually

1132
00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:50,507
the seat of the will to live.

1133
00:47:50,507 --> 00:47:52,090
DAVID GOGGINS: See,
now we're talking.

1134
00:47:52,090 --> 00:47:52,870
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
And when I learned

1135
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:54,610
about the anterior
mid-cingulate cortex,

1136
00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:55,997
I was like almost
out of my seat.

1137
00:47:55,997 --> 00:47:57,580
And I've been in the
neuroscience game

1138
00:47:57,580 --> 00:47:58,585
since I was 20.

1139
00:47:58,585 --> 00:47:59,140
DAVID GOGGINS:
Now we're talking.

1140
00:47:59,140 --> 00:47:59,860
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
We're the same age.

1141
00:47:59,860 --> 00:48:02,440
And I was so pumped because I've
heard of the amygdala, fear,

1142
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,490
prefrontal cortex.

1143
00:48:03,490 --> 00:48:04,870
It's planning an action.

1144
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:06,852
I could tell you every
brain area and every--

1145
00:48:06,852 --> 00:48:08,560
I teach neuroanatomy
to medical students.

1146
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,110
But when I started
seeing the data

1147
00:48:11,110 --> 00:48:16,160
on the anterior mid-cingulate
cortex, I was like, whoa,

1148
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,110
this is interesting.

1149
00:48:18,110 --> 00:48:20,360
And all the data
point to the fact

1150
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,940
that we can build this area up.

1151
00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:25,460
But that as quickly
as we build it up,

1152
00:48:25,460 --> 00:48:29,060
if we don't continue to invest
in things that are hard for us,

1153
00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:31,910
that we don't want to
do-- that's the part that

1154
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:35,942
feels so Goggin-esque to me,
that we don't want to do.

1155
00:48:35,942 --> 00:48:38,400
Like if you love the ice bath--
yeah, I love the ice bath--

1156
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,220
and you go from 1
minute to 10 minutes,

1157
00:48:40,220 --> 00:48:42,705
guess what, your anterior
mid-cingulate cortex did not

1158
00:48:42,705 --> 00:48:43,205
grow.

1159
00:48:43,205 --> 00:48:44,038
DAVID GOGGINS: None.

1160
00:48:44,038 --> 00:48:46,340
ANDREW HUBERMAN: But if
you hate the cold water,

1161
00:48:46,340 --> 00:48:49,580
if you're afraid of drowning
and you get into water

1162
00:48:49,580 --> 00:48:54,290
and put your head
under and survive,

1163
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:56,820
then the anterior mid-cingulate
cortex gets bigger.

1164
00:48:56,820 --> 00:48:59,780
But if you don't do it the next
day or if you do it the next

1165
00:48:59,780 --> 00:49:02,480
day and you enjoy it because,
hey, hey, I did it yesterday,

1166
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,695
woo-hoo, happy me, Merry
Christmas as you would say--

1167
00:49:04,695 --> 00:49:05,570
DAVID GOGGINS: Right.

1168
00:49:05,570 --> 00:49:06,140
Merry Christmas.

1169
00:49:06,140 --> 00:49:07,932
ANDREW HUBERMAN: --guess
what, the anterior

1170
00:49:07,932 --> 00:49:10,370
mid-cingulate cortex
shrinks again.

1171
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:12,860
To me, this is one of the
most important discoveries

1172
00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:16,390
that neuroscience has
ever made because it's

1173
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:19,930
that I don't want to do
something but do it anyway

1174
00:49:19,930 --> 00:49:21,563
that grows this area.

1175
00:49:21,563 --> 00:49:22,480
And it's almost like--

1176
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,147
I have a friend.

1177
00:49:23,147 --> 00:49:25,360
He's been sober 30
years from alcohol.

1178
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,790
And he always says, the
amazing thing about addiction

1179
00:49:27,790 --> 00:49:29,860
is there's a cure.

1180
00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:32,870
The problem is it only
works one day at a time.

1181
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:34,800
And so you have to
renew it every day.

1182
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:35,050
DAVID GOGGINS: That's right.

1183
00:49:35,050 --> 00:49:37,750
ANDREW HUBERMAN: So the anterior
mid-cingulate cortex to me--

1184
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:40,300
when I learned about it, two
things went off in my head.

1185
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:41,738
Whoa, this is super interesting.

1186
00:49:41,738 --> 00:49:43,780
And, two, I got to tell
David Goggins about this.

1187
00:49:43,780 --> 00:49:45,100
And I waited until now--

1188
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:46,100
DAVID GOGGINS: I'm glad.

1189
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,503
ANDREW HUBERMAN: --to tell
you because I felt like, well,

1190
00:49:48,503 --> 00:49:50,170
for obvious reasons
I wanted to tell you

1191
00:49:50,170 --> 00:49:51,420
and I wanted to tell you here.

1192
00:49:51,420 --> 00:49:54,400
DAVID GOGGINS: Well, I
love that because that's

1193
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,700
how I've lived my entire life.

1194
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:57,200
I don't know
anything about that.

1195
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,590
But people go, man, you
have such a strong will.

1196
00:50:01,590 --> 00:50:03,240
It's something that you build.

1197
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:05,590
Like I never forget I was
on a podcast one time.

1198
00:50:05,590 --> 00:50:10,930
And this dude goes you were
blessed with a strong mind.

1199
00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:15,085
Like the hell are
you talking about I

1200
00:50:15,085 --> 00:50:17,440
was blessed with a strong mind?

1201
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,390
That's something that
you have to develop.

1202
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:25,890
You develop that over
years, decades of suffering

1203
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:28,260
and going back into the suffer.

1204
00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:31,770
That's why a lot of people who
graduate Navy SEAL training,

1205
00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:32,640
they want to know--

1207
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:39,250
I talk about it very
openly all the time.

1208
00:50:39,250 --> 00:50:42,880
A lot of guys don't want
to go back into that water,

1209
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,790
don't want to go back
into the hard stuff.

1210
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:47,730
And maybe not-- anything
hard, anything hard

1211
00:50:47,730 --> 00:50:52,650
in life, once you get through
it, it's like you become a POW.

1212
00:50:52,650 --> 00:50:55,500
Like how many POWs you know
want to go back to POW camp?

1213
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:56,910
None.

1214
00:50:56,910 --> 00:50:59,220
When something sucks
so bad in life--

1215
00:50:59,220 --> 00:51:03,130
this is on this that
we're talking about now--

1216
00:51:03,130 --> 00:51:05,830
very few people want to go back.

1217
00:51:05,830 --> 00:51:09,840
They're happy they graduated.

1218
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,190
I realized I'm the same way.

1219
00:51:12,190 --> 00:51:14,780
I don't want to go back.

1220
00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:16,860
I have to go back.

1221
00:51:16,860 --> 00:51:21,560
I must go back because that is
exactly where all the knowledge

1222
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,197
of my life exists was back
there in what you're exactly

1223
00:51:25,197 --> 00:51:26,280
what you're talking about.

1224
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,250
Well, I didn't know
anything about this.

1225
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:33,140
But how I grew a will was
constantly doing these things

1226
00:51:33,140 --> 00:51:37,350
to now it's just life.

1227
00:51:37,350 --> 00:51:37,940
I wake up.

1228
00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:40,280
While it still sucks,
it's just life.

1229
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,200
You don't sit back
and like, oh my god.

1230
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,010
Like I have days I
don't want to do.

1231
00:51:44,010 --> 00:51:46,380
But I know I'm going to do it.

1232
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:49,120
I know from years
of just doing it.

1233
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,293
So that's beautiful.

1234
00:51:51,293 --> 00:51:53,210
And this is why I came
on here with you today.

1235
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:56,840
And I'm glad that you're talking
about this because human beings

1236
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,440
need to hear this.

1237
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:03,690
They need to stop hearing
these hacks on this and that.

1238
00:52:03,690 --> 00:52:05,400
There's no fucking hack, bro.

1239
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,820
There's no fucking hack.

1240
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:11,190
Yeah, you may this and that
and saunas and all this shit

1241
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:13,680
that they-- yeah, it's great.

1242
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,350
There is no fucking life hack.

1243
00:52:16,350 --> 00:52:19,050
To grow that thing--
how do you grow it?

1244
00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:23,340
Do it, and do it,
and do it, and do it.

1245
00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:24,600
That's the hack.

1246
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,580
The hack is going
to fucking suck.

1247
00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:28,290
And that's what I realized.

1248
00:52:28,290 --> 00:52:29,850
That's what I realized.

1249
00:52:29,850 --> 00:52:31,600
That's why I wanted
to come on here today.

1250
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,183
I didn't want to
come on here and talk

1251
00:52:33,183 --> 00:52:35,550
about no fucking
passion and purpose

1252
00:52:35,550 --> 00:52:37,080
and how to get the
fuck out of bed

1253
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,090
and how to hit a
fucking alarm clock,

1254
00:52:39,090 --> 00:52:43,370
all this catchphrase bullshit
because that wasn't how

1255
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:46,260
I lived, wasn't how I lived.

1256
00:52:46,260 --> 00:52:48,240
I lived, I woke up like
every human being does

1257
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:49,650
and goes fuck, man.

1258
00:52:49,650 --> 00:52:51,423
I'm a fucking piece
of shit today.

1259
00:52:51,423 --> 00:52:53,340
How the hell is this
going to work out for me?

1260
00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:55,328
And you fight that.

1261
00:52:55,328 --> 00:52:56,120
And you fight that.

1262
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,980
You don't override it.

1263
00:52:57,980 --> 00:52:59,450
There's no override button.

1264
00:52:59,450 --> 00:53:02,720
It's the conversation
in your head.

1265
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,430
So how do you do that?

1266
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:06,410
We don't have enough
of these conversations

1267
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:10,730
about the real conversation that
every human being is having.

1268
00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:12,530
And they have no idea
how to get out of it.

1269
00:53:12,530 --> 00:53:16,170
But they do is that
shit right there, man.

1270
00:53:16,170 --> 00:53:18,210
You got to build your will.

1271
00:53:18,210 --> 00:53:20,070
How you build your will?

1272
00:53:20,070 --> 00:53:21,810
Exactly what you said, man.

1273
00:53:21,810 --> 00:53:23,350
Exactly what you said.

1274
00:53:23,350 --> 00:53:25,290
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Well,
I feel like knowing

1275
00:53:25,290 --> 00:53:27,660
the name of something,
anterior mid-cingulate cortex,

1276
00:53:27,660 --> 00:53:29,010
doesn't fundamentally change us.

1277
00:53:29,010 --> 00:53:31,890
But one thing I
like about biology

1278
00:53:31,890 --> 00:53:36,225
is that willpower, if somebody
feels they don't have it,

1279
00:53:36,225 --> 00:53:38,100
feels like this thing
that other people have.

1280
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:40,950
But everybody, unless
they're brain-damaged,

1281
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:45,285
like a hole through their
head, has two anterior

1282
00:53:45,285 --> 00:53:48,030
mid-cingulate cortex, one
on each side of their brain.

1283
00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:49,680
Everyone has one.

1284
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:50,640
They have two.

1285
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:55,990
So I feel like it's just a
question of opening the portal.

1286
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:59,073
And the portal-- again,
I'm going to say 10 times,

1287
00:53:59,073 --> 00:54:00,490
and forgive me--
is I think people

1288
00:54:00,490 --> 00:54:01,930
go, oh, I do hard things.

1289
00:54:01,930 --> 00:54:03,340
I do sets to failure.

1290
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:04,990
And then I do forced reps.

1291
00:54:04,990 --> 00:54:06,310
I love training with weights.

1292
00:54:06,310 --> 00:54:07,650
I love doing sets to failure.

1293
00:54:07,650 --> 00:54:08,650
I even like forced reps.

1294
00:54:08,650 --> 00:54:09,400
But guess what?

1295
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,600
I like forced reps.

1296
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,880
So I'll tell you,
they don't build

1297
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,360
my anterior mid-cingulate
cortex because I like to do it.

1298
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,730
Anything you like
to do is not going

1299
00:54:18,730 --> 00:54:20,770
to enhance this
aspect of willpower.

1300
00:54:20,770 --> 00:54:22,570
And it seems so obvious
once you hear it.

1301
00:54:22,570 --> 00:54:24,370
You kind of go, oh
yeah, of course.

1302
00:54:24,370 --> 00:54:29,330
But I think you really
close that loop for people

1303
00:54:29,330 --> 00:54:32,870
when you share what
you're sharing today

1304
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:34,880
and what you've shared
elsewhere before as well.

1305
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,630
When you're trying to
explain the friction

1306
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:38,780
is the critical ingredient.

1307
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:40,930
And I think people think,
oh, if it's effort, well,

1308
00:54:40,930 --> 00:54:41,930
then I'm getting better.

1309
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:44,690
That's part of it, necessary,
but not sufficient,

1310
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:45,800
as we say in science.

1311
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:52,340
But the suck part, the haunt,
being haunted, the stick,

1312
00:54:52,340 --> 00:54:53,828
they're really unpleasant terms.

1313
00:54:53,828 --> 00:54:56,120
These are probably the most
unpleasant terms we've ever

1314
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,220
used on this podcast.

1315
00:54:58,220 --> 00:55:01,377
Those are the--
those are the levers.

1316
00:55:01,377 --> 00:55:02,210
Those are the gears.

1317
00:55:02,210 --> 00:55:05,390
And without those, this thing
that you're talking about,

1318
00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:08,930
David Goggins, as a verb--

1319
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:11,720
I sometimes make the
joke, but it's not a joke.

1320
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:15,770
Goggins is a name,
and it's a verb.

1321
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:17,990
People go, I'm on
to Goggins that.

1322
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:20,140
But that's, I think--

1323
00:55:20,140 --> 00:55:21,390
again, I'm not a psychologist.

1324
00:55:21,390 --> 00:55:23,265
But I think that's what
you're talking about,

1325
00:55:23,265 --> 00:55:26,100
the stick, the
friction, being haunted.

1326
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:29,850
It's the suck part that grows
this anterior mid-cingulate

1327
00:55:29,850 --> 00:55:30,520
cortex.

1328
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,250
DAVID GOGGINS: So
now you know why

1329
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:35,250
there's so many people
that fail in this world

1330
00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:40,050
to figure out their purpose,
their purpose in life.

1331
00:55:40,050 --> 00:55:41,190
Where do I go?

1332
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:48,000
Because to grow that, now,
you may not look like me,

1333
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,890
how my daily life looks.

1334
00:55:50,890 --> 00:55:53,700
It don't look fun.

1335
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:56,050
Don't look fun.

1336
00:55:56,050 --> 00:55:59,880
So it's a choice that
people have to make in life.

1337
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,970
But what's so funny about it
is even the richest of rich,

1338
00:56:02,970 --> 00:56:07,100
who have everything, they
always ask me this question.

1339
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:10,850
I feel like I'm
missing something.

1340
00:56:10,850 --> 00:56:13,700
I don't feel like
I'm missing shit.

1341
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:15,980
I don't have what you all have.

1342
00:56:15,980 --> 00:56:20,160
But you will never in
my life hear me tell you

1343
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,650
I'm missing something.

1344
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:23,240
And everybody is.

1345
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,310
They're missing this feeling.

1346
00:56:26,310 --> 00:56:29,460
I found it a long time ago.

1347
00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:32,820
And I found it right there
in that willpower thing.

1348
00:56:32,820 --> 00:56:36,870
When you're nothing,
nothing, and change yourself

1349
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:43,890
into something, like me, you
call it happiness, peace,

1350
00:56:43,890 --> 00:56:47,530
whatever the fuck
you want to call it,

1351
00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:51,460
people are missing exactly what
went on with David Goggins.

1352
00:56:51,460 --> 00:56:52,600
Why don't you smile?

1353
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:53,680
I do.

1354
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:54,520
I do.

1355
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,180
But I figured something out.

1356
00:56:56,180 --> 00:56:58,180
That's why I am never--

1357
00:56:58,180 --> 00:57:00,700
you never hear me say,
I'm missing something.

1358
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:02,480
I found it years ago.

1359
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,360
You find it in the suck.

1360
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,380
You find it in the suck.

1361
00:57:07,380 --> 00:57:10,380
And you find it repeatedly
in the suck to the point

1362
00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:12,400
where you know
exactly who you are.

1363
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,950
Most people are
missing something

1364
00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:17,450
because they don't
know who they are.

1365
00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:19,805
They never examined themselves.

1366
00:57:19,805 --> 00:57:23,180
They've never done this
experiment on themselves.

1367
00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:24,170
The lab rat.

1368
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:25,460
We're all lab rats.

1369
00:57:25,460 --> 00:57:28,760
But you're also the scientist.

1370
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,830
You create your own self.

1371
00:57:30,830 --> 00:57:32,300
Most people are
missing something

1372
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:35,942
because there's so
much trapped in there.

1373
00:57:35,942 --> 00:57:37,400
I don't even want
to say potential.

1374
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,680
I think that's a word--
it's used out too much too.

1375
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,020
There's so much in you that
God or whoever the hell

1376
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:44,840
you believe in or if
you're an atheist in you

1377
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,890
that you have not unlocked,
that you walk around

1378
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:51,710
with this gorgeous wife or great
husband and all this money.

1379
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:54,230
You're like, god, I feel
like I'm missing something.

1380
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:58,040
Yeah, because it's
about 75% of you

1381
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:03,500
is still fucking in there, still
chained up because you just

1382
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:05,540
didn't want to find
your willpower,

1383
00:58:05,540 --> 00:58:07,970
didn't want to find your
soul, your will, your heart,

1384
00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:10,430
your determination,
your guts, your courage.

1385
00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:12,320
And what that looks
like, it looks scary,

1386
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,870
like you're little
scary lab that went in.

1387
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:18,145
Scary to wake up every
day and say, I'm stupid,

1388
00:58:18,145 --> 00:58:19,520
but I'm going to
figure out a way

1389
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,020
to be smarter versus saying,
man, I just can't do that.

1390
00:58:24,020 --> 00:58:25,720
So you limit this box.

1391
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,710
So your box becomes so
small of things you can do.

1392
00:58:29,710 --> 00:58:31,960
My box wasn't even a box.

1393
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,200
It was a fucking little pinhole.

1394
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,020
And then through
examining myself,

1395
00:58:38,020 --> 00:58:41,050
getting some willpower,
some courage,

1396
00:58:41,050 --> 00:58:42,550
it became bigger
than this table.

1397
00:58:42,550 --> 00:58:43,640
But that's what we all do.

1398
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,598
That's why I wanted to
come here today and talk

1399
00:58:45,598 --> 00:58:48,970
to you about real shit,
not no fucking hacks.

1400
00:58:48,970 --> 00:58:50,620
There's no hacks, bro.

1401
00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:52,630
It's you against you.

1402
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:54,140
You against you.

1403
00:58:54,140 --> 00:58:56,900
And if you
misunderstand that, you

1404
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:59,373
have a real problem,
real problem.

1405
00:58:59,373 --> 00:59:00,790
I can understand
you misunderstand

1406
00:59:00,790 --> 00:59:03,550
me, running down the street,
shirt off, fuck this, no.

1407
00:59:03,550 --> 00:59:04,110
Yeah.

1408
00:59:04,110 --> 00:59:04,790
I can get it.

1409
00:59:04,790 --> 00:59:05,860
I get it.

1410
00:59:05,860 --> 00:59:09,190
If you misunderstand what
I'm saying right now today,

1411
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:11,410
the problem is you.

1412
00:59:11,410 --> 00:59:13,642
And you don't want to fix it.

1413
00:59:13,642 --> 00:59:15,850
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Well, the
children of wealthy people

1414
00:59:15,850 --> 00:59:20,890
are a case study in how
not having enough friction

1415
00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:21,770
can destroy a life.

1416
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:23,020
DAVID GOGGINS: True statement.

1417
00:59:23,020 --> 00:59:24,902
ANDREW HUBERMAN: I
mean, I could list off

1418
00:59:24,902 --> 00:59:26,110
prominent names in the press.

1419
00:59:26,110 --> 00:59:28,180
But those are actually
the least interesting.

1420
00:59:28,180 --> 00:59:30,850
What's probably more
interesting, as an example,

1421
00:59:30,850 --> 00:59:33,580
is all the ones we don't
hear about because we never

1422
00:59:33,580 --> 00:59:34,630
hear about them.

1423
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:36,970
They just dwindle and wither.

1424
00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:39,610
Or I think there's this
big category of people,

1425
00:59:39,610 --> 00:59:44,000
I'm realizing, as we have this
conversation today that they're

1426
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,290
not super successful.

1427
00:59:45,290 --> 00:59:48,690
They're not struggling.

1428
00:59:48,690 --> 00:59:52,673
They're successful enough
that they never have to--

1429
00:59:52,673 --> 00:59:54,090
you can get to the
point where you

1430
00:59:54,090 --> 00:59:56,070
don't have to impose friction.

1431
00:59:56,070 --> 00:59:57,090
You even said it.

1432
00:59:57,090 --> 00:59:59,790
Your bank account is in a
place where you don't really

1433
00:59:59,790 --> 01:00:01,380
need to do all
the things you do,

1434
01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:02,940
probably not even a
small fraction of them.

1435
01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:03,420
DAVID GOGGINS: Do nothing.

1436
01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:04,378
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Right.

1437
01:00:04,378 --> 01:00:06,360
But you realize the
stick and being haunted

1438
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,660
is the fuel and the engine.

1439
01:00:09,660 --> 01:00:13,200
And you'd be a-- you'd be
truly crazy to give that up

1440
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,390
because you've
internalized all that.

1441
01:00:15,390 --> 01:00:19,740
But most people, they're
good enough for them.

1442
01:00:19,740 --> 01:00:23,940
And so they don't actually
want to be better badly enough

1443
01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:28,463
in order to start
going rung after rung.

1444
01:00:28,463 --> 01:00:30,880
DAVID GOGGINS: Well, think
about when you build willpower.

1445
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,670
And think about how
much I've built.

1446
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:35,418
Now that you know about this--

1447
01:00:35,418 --> 01:00:36,460
I didn't know about this.

1448
01:00:36,460 --> 01:00:38,170
But think about how
much I've built.

1449
01:00:38,170 --> 01:00:42,220
Everything I've ever done in
my life, I didn't want to do.

1450
01:00:42,220 --> 01:00:44,470
Everything every day.

1451
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:48,200
I'm a lazy piece of shit.

1452
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,807
And I'm one of the hardest
working people to ever step

1453
01:00:50,807 --> 01:00:51,890
foot on this planet Earth.

1454
01:00:51,890 --> 01:00:54,500
And I'm saying that very proudly
because I know what I do.

1455
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:55,580
It's not cocky.

1456
01:00:55,580 --> 01:00:57,410
I'll tell you I'm stupid.

1457
01:00:57,410 --> 01:01:01,230
And I'll also tell you the exact
opposite of what I've done.

1458
01:01:01,230 --> 01:01:03,450
It's the truth.

1459
01:01:03,450 --> 01:01:04,550
It is the truth.

1460
01:01:04,550 --> 01:01:07,680
So imagine how much I've
developed in that time frame.

1461
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,370
But this is the scary thing.

1462
01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:15,680
Why most people don't want to
do that and build that willpower

1463
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,470
is because it is scary.

1464
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:20,930
It unlocks a whole bunch
of things about who you are

1465
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:22,560
and who you're not.

1466
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,860
And a lot of people don't
want to go down that journey

1467
01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:27,750
to discover who they
are and who they're not

1468
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:30,570
because it's not
a pretty journey.

1469
01:01:30,570 --> 01:01:31,790
I mean, I've gone down it.

1470
01:01:31,790 --> 01:01:34,330
It's not like I
went down it once.

1471
01:01:34,330 --> 01:01:36,740
I go down it all the time.

1472
01:01:36,740 --> 01:01:39,550
And when you unlock that-- and
you can't just turn it off.

1473
01:01:39,550 --> 01:01:43,360
Like, people say, hey, how
come you haven't retired yet?

1474
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,060
I built all this willpower.

1475
01:01:47,060 --> 01:01:50,980
Do you think it's
going to let me just

1476
01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:53,875
retire because my knees hurt?

1477
01:01:53,875 --> 01:01:55,930
It is telling me every morning--

1478
01:01:55,930 --> 01:01:58,300
I wake up, and I'm like,
man, my knees hurt.

1479
01:01:58,300 --> 01:01:58,960
My legs hurt.

1480
01:01:58,960 --> 01:01:59,920
My body hurts.

1481
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:01,950
But you can still run.

1482
01:02:01,950 --> 01:02:04,060
So why aren't you running?

1483
01:02:04,060 --> 01:02:05,595
If you can still run--

1484
01:02:05,595 --> 01:02:07,970
there will be a time when you
can't lace them up anymore.

1485
01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:10,580
But you can still run.

1486
01:02:10,580 --> 01:02:12,640
So I still run.

1487
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,450
When the time comes I can't
run, the body will say,

1488
01:02:16,450 --> 01:02:17,750
you just can't run.

1489
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:20,650
But if I can still
do something, that

1490
01:02:20,650 --> 01:02:23,080
willpower that I
have created, it

1491
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,290
makes me do it
every fucking day.

1492
01:02:26,290 --> 01:02:27,830
And that's what they don't get.

1493
01:02:27,830 --> 01:02:31,820
What builds a human being is you
start with the small building

1494
01:02:31,820 --> 01:02:32,320
blocks.

1495
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,362
And before you know it,
man, you become something

1496
01:02:34,362 --> 01:02:36,730
that it doesn't even
make sense to most people

1497
01:02:36,730 --> 01:02:38,690
because it's just
who you are now.

1498
01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:41,140
That's why I can still
run at 50 with broke--

1499
01:02:41,140 --> 01:02:43,510
at 49 with broke down
knees and broke down body

1500
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:46,090
because my body
knows you still can.

1501
01:02:46,090 --> 01:02:47,290
Therefore, I do.

1502
01:02:47,290 --> 01:02:50,850
Second you stop, the
willpower is gone.

1503
01:02:50,850 --> 01:02:51,960
And that's beautiful.

1504
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,605
I'm so glad you brought that to
me because I always wondered,

1505
01:02:55,605 --> 01:02:58,520
what's this
separation thing now?

1506
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,560
At 24 years old, I
started building something

1507
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:01,935
that I didn't even
know was going

1508
01:03:01,935 --> 01:03:03,470
to be what it is now at 49.

1509
01:03:03,470 --> 01:03:05,200
And that's all it was.

1510
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,475
It was just that.

1511
01:03:07,475 --> 01:03:10,100
ANDREW HUBERMAN: This structure,
anterior mid-cingulate cortex,

1512
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:12,840
has inputs and outputs
from a bunch of places.

1513
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,860
But you'll probably not
be surprised to learn

1514
01:03:15,860 --> 01:03:20,780
that it's strongly activated
when we move our body when

1515
01:03:20,780 --> 01:03:23,510
we don't want to move our body.

1516
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:25,943
I feel like it's like the
David Goggins structure.

1517
01:03:25,943 --> 01:03:27,110
DAVID GOGGINS: It really is.

1518
01:03:27,110 --> 01:03:28,068
ANDREW HUBERMAN: It is.

1519
01:03:28,068 --> 01:03:30,020
And it also has
strong connections

1520
01:03:30,020 --> 01:03:31,790
to the dopamine reward pathway.

1521
01:03:31,790 --> 01:03:33,470
And everyone goes,
yay, dopamine.

1522
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:34,820
Everyone loves dopamine.

1523
01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:38,030
I'm partially responsible
for people knowing a bit more

1524
01:03:38,030 --> 01:03:39,200
about dopamine.

1525
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,540
But dopamine's badly understood.

1526
01:03:41,540 --> 01:03:43,370
Everyone thinks
dopamine, dopamine hits.

1527
01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:44,630
It's about reward.

1528
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:47,310
It's about motivation and drive.

1529
01:03:47,310 --> 01:03:51,290
And there are pain inputs to the
dopamine centers of the brain.

1530
01:03:51,290 --> 01:03:52,400
No one talks about that.

1531
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,580
Everyone's like, oh, you want
the chocolate, chocolate, sex,

1532
01:03:55,580 --> 01:03:56,300
cocaine.

1533
01:03:56,300 --> 01:03:57,910
Yeah, that's all true.

1534
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:59,090
It'll release dopamine.

1535
01:03:59,090 --> 01:04:00,890
Pain releases dopamine.

1536
01:04:00,890 --> 01:04:02,960
The anterior
mid-cingulate cortex

1537
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,360
can trigger the release
of dopamine in response

1538
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,730
to this thing that
we're calling friction.

1539
01:04:07,730 --> 01:04:10,010
And that's a learned thing.

1540
01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:12,350
That's something that
no animal or human being

1541
01:04:12,350 --> 01:04:13,710
comes into the world learning.

1542
01:04:13,710 --> 01:04:16,160
We all are averse to pain.

1543
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,040
And like pleasure,
like sugar, fat.

1544
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,680
Don't like hot surfaces.

1545
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,140
But this is a
structure that learns.

1546
01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:27,810
It has neuroplasticity,
the ability

1547
01:04:27,810 --> 01:04:29,850
to change throughout
the entire life span.

1548
01:04:29,850 --> 01:04:31,260
And here's the
part that I think,

1549
01:04:31,260 --> 01:04:34,590
again, is just neuro nerd
speak for what you already know

1550
01:04:34,590 --> 01:04:38,353
and have done and exemplify,
is that people say,

1551
01:04:38,353 --> 01:04:39,270
oh, it has plasticity.

1552
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:40,050
You can change it.

1553
01:04:40,050 --> 01:04:40,675
But guess what?

1554
01:04:40,675 --> 01:04:42,510
It has plasticity
in both directions.

1555
01:04:42,510 --> 01:04:43,600
It can grow.

1556
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,350
But just as easily as it can
grow, it's like Silly Putty,

1557
01:04:46,350 --> 01:04:47,700
it can shrink.

1558
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:51,720
So it requires constant upkeep.

1559
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,600
And that answer isn't one
that people are going to like.

1560
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,522
They're like, give
me the energy drink.

1561
01:04:56,522 --> 01:04:57,480
Give me the supplement.

1562
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,940
Give me the-- give me
the sauna protocol that's

1563
01:04:59,940 --> 01:05:02,280
going to make my anterior
mid-cingulate cortex-- there's

1564
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:03,360
someone out there
right now who's going,

1565
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,623
wait, if I took transcranial
magnetic stimulation

1566
01:05:05,623 --> 01:05:08,040
and I stimulate-- yeah, you'd
probably-- actually, they've

1567
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:08,540
done that.

1568
01:05:08,540 --> 01:05:10,590
They stuck a little
wire during neurosurgery

1569
01:05:10,590 --> 01:05:12,368
into this structure.

1570
01:05:12,368 --> 01:05:14,160
This was actually
discovered by a colleague

1571
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,160
of mine, Joe Parvizi.

1572
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:17,760
Stimulate.

1573
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,750
And the patients go, I feel
like there's a storm coming.

1574
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:23,160
And they go, oh, is it scary?

1575
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,210
And they go, no, I
want to go through it.

1576
01:05:25,210 --> 01:05:28,350
They come off the stimulation,
and people are like--

1577
01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:30,955
this is the seat of what
we're talking about.

1578
01:05:30,955 --> 01:05:31,830
DAVID GOGGINS: Right.

1579
01:05:31,830 --> 01:05:32,310
Exactly.

1580
01:05:32,310 --> 01:05:33,602
ANDREW HUBERMAN: And it learns.

1581
01:05:33,602 --> 01:05:36,060
So the fact that you've
kept this brain structure--

1582
01:05:36,060 --> 01:05:40,110
I'm convinced if we imaged
your brain, it'd be large,

1583
01:05:40,110 --> 01:05:44,040
and it would be larger
in two years, in a year.

1584
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:48,510
But this is the no days off
rationale because it can grow,

1585
01:05:48,510 --> 01:05:49,273
and it can shrink.

1586
01:05:49,273 --> 01:05:50,190
DAVID GOGGINS: I know.

1587
01:05:50,190 --> 01:05:54,090
What you're saying right now,
I didn't know any of this.

1588
01:05:54,090 --> 01:05:55,985
And I never-- and I
always talk to you.

1589
01:05:55,985 --> 01:05:59,490
But I wish I could
just put this on paper.

1590
01:05:59,490 --> 01:06:02,800
And you're saying it in a way
that people can understand.

1591
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,920
I can never put it into
words on what I built

1592
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,430
and the power that
is within all of us.

1593
01:06:10,430 --> 01:06:14,330
But you put it so
in a scientific way.

1594
01:06:14,330 --> 01:06:16,950
Most people, for
me, he's just crazy.

1595
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:19,635
That's why I don't like
talking about it, man.

1596
01:06:19,635 --> 01:06:21,000
I know I'm not crazy.

1597
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,425
I know what I had to do
to get where I had to go.

1598
01:06:24,425 --> 01:06:26,550
People look at it as crazy
because there are people

1599
01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:27,720
that just--

1600
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,030
if you can't imagine
yourself doing something,

1601
01:06:31,030 --> 01:06:33,190
if you can't imagine
yourself doing something,

1602
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:36,670
the person that's
doing it is crazy

1603
01:06:36,670 --> 01:06:41,890
because in your mind, the logic
behind it, it doesn't compute.

1604
01:06:41,890 --> 01:06:44,500
Therefore, you have to
give somebody a title.

1605
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:47,155
And the title for me
is usually he's crazy

1606
01:06:47,155 --> 01:06:48,430
or he's this, he's that.

1607
01:06:48,430 --> 01:06:49,120
No.

1608
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,000
No.

1609
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,490
For some reason, me
wanting to be somebody

1610
01:06:53,490 --> 01:06:57,793
so fucking bad in my
life, I created that.

1611
01:06:57,793 --> 01:06:59,210
And I've been
trying to figure out

1612
01:06:59,210 --> 01:07:02,520
years of my life trying
to explain to people.

1613
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,860
But even though you're
explaining it now,

1614
01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:09,710
this is the easy fucking part.

1615
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:13,500
Them listening to this shit
is the easy fucking part.

1616
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:18,080
The part that why they're
always be the ones of ones

1617
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:22,660
is because putting
that practice,

1618
01:07:22,660 --> 01:07:26,430
putting that into
actual work, no, man.

1619
01:07:26,430 --> 01:07:27,270
No.

1620
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:27,820
No.

1621
01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:29,890
That's where the demons come in.

1622
01:07:29,890 --> 01:07:33,427
That's where you're like,
I don't want to be better.

1623
01:07:33,427 --> 01:07:34,510
I don't want to be better.

1624
01:07:34,510 --> 01:07:35,810
If this is what it
takes to be better,

1625
01:07:35,810 --> 01:07:36,980
I don't want to be better.

1626
01:07:36,980 --> 01:07:40,390
So everybody's-- that's why
there's a lot of average.

1627
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:43,630
And it makes me so fucking mad.

1628
01:07:43,630 --> 01:07:46,870
Every day I walk this
Earth, and I see average

1629
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:48,470
all over the fucking place.

1630
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:51,313
And they want to ask
me, how did you do it?

1631
01:07:51,313 --> 01:07:53,730
I can't tell you how because
you're not going to fucking--

1632
01:07:53,730 --> 01:07:55,140
you're not going to do it.

1633
01:07:55,140 --> 01:07:56,670
You're not going to do it you.

1634
01:07:56,670 --> 01:07:57,090
You're just going to--

1635
01:07:57,090 --> 01:07:58,950
You're going to continue
being like this every day

1636
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:59,640
you wake up.

1637
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,105
Like you said, it's
like, get the coffee.

1638
01:08:03,105 --> 01:08:05,560
Make the pancakes.

1639
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:06,580
Kiss the girl.

1640
01:08:06,580 --> 01:08:08,095
Kiss the kids.

1641
01:08:08,095 --> 01:08:10,660
You wake up, right to work.

1642
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:13,550
Immediate, your
mind is in action.

1643
01:08:13,550 --> 01:08:15,160
No one wants to do that.

1644
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:15,850
No one.

1645
01:08:15,850 --> 01:08:17,170
And I don't blame them.

1646
01:08:17,170 --> 01:08:19,967
But don't be mad when
you're laying there

1647
01:08:19,967 --> 01:08:22,300
in your fucking bed, and
you're in the fucking hospital,

1648
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:24,490
and you're 70, 80, 90 years old.

1649
01:08:24,490 --> 01:08:27,359
And you're thinking,
man, I feel like I

1650
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:29,100
didn't fucking do something.

1651
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:30,510
Because you did.

1652
01:08:30,510 --> 01:08:31,920
You didn't do it.

1653
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,897
You didn't do shit.

1654
01:08:33,897 --> 01:08:35,439
You may have lived
a great life, man,

1655
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,314
but you're always going
to feel empty inside.

1656
01:08:37,314 --> 01:08:38,350
I don't feel empty.

1657
01:08:38,350 --> 01:08:39,790
So call me what you want.

1658
01:08:39,790 --> 01:08:44,020
There's not one empty
bone in my fucking body

1659
01:08:44,020 --> 01:08:47,770
because I have figured
out that really--

1660
01:08:47,770 --> 01:08:50,260
the magic potion,
at least to my life.

1661
01:08:50,260 --> 01:08:52,321
And it's very rewarding.

1662
01:08:52,321 --> 01:08:54,279
ANDREW HUBERMAN: I'd like
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1663
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:56,500
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1664
01:08:56,500 --> 01:08:59,170
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1665
01:08:59,170 --> 01:09:01,689
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1666
01:09:01,689 --> 01:09:03,460
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1667
01:09:03,460 --> 01:09:05,390
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1668
01:09:05,390 --> 01:09:07,913
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1669
01:09:07,913 --> 01:09:10,330
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1670
01:09:10,330 --> 01:09:11,920
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1671
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,783
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1672
01:09:14,783 --> 01:09:16,450
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1673
01:09:16,450 --> 01:09:19,060
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1674
01:09:19,060 --> 01:09:21,580
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1675
01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:22,310
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1676
01:09:22,310 --> 01:09:24,435
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1677
01:09:24,435 --> 01:09:26,470
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1678
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:28,630
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1679
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:30,609
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1680
01:09:30,609 --> 01:09:33,340
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1681
01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:35,439
But it gives you
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1682
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,600
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1683
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,350
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1684
01:09:39,350 --> 01:09:40,810
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1685
01:09:40,810 --> 01:09:43,609
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1686
01:09:43,609 --> 01:09:45,069
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1687
01:09:45,069 --> 01:09:48,160
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1688
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,040
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1689
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:55,100
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1690
01:09:55,100 --> 01:09:58,820
People like to talk about what
they used to be able to do.

1691
01:09:58,820 --> 01:09:59,835
I hear this a lot.

1692
01:09:59,835 --> 01:10:01,460
You should have seen
me in high school.

1693
01:10:01,460 --> 01:10:02,650
I always laugh.

1694
01:10:02,650 --> 01:10:03,740
Like, yeah, OK.

1695
01:10:03,740 --> 01:10:04,820
Got it.

1696
01:10:04,820 --> 01:10:05,990
And it's not just guys.

1697
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:08,115
You should have seen me
working out in high school.

1698
01:10:08,115 --> 01:10:09,380
I was super fit.

1699
01:10:09,380 --> 01:10:11,810
People will look
back to a time where

1700
01:10:11,810 --> 01:10:14,360
they felt like they were
capable of something.

1701
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:15,650
And now they're not.

1702
01:10:15,650 --> 01:10:18,020
And you kind of want to
just grab them and go, wait.

1703
01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:18,830
That was you then.

1704
01:10:18,830 --> 01:10:19,580
It's you now.

1705
01:10:19,580 --> 01:10:21,650
And but people tend
to think about how

1706
01:10:21,650 --> 01:10:25,760
the conditions that
were around success

1707
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,200
must have been part of it.

1708
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:28,580
And you can understand why.

1709
01:10:28,580 --> 01:10:30,290
It's very rational.

1710
01:10:30,290 --> 01:10:31,550
I was in that situation.

1711
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:32,270
I was successful.

1712
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:33,300
I'm in this situation.

1713
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:34,040
I'm not.

1714
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:35,270
That was the past.

1715
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:37,010
This is the present.

1716
01:10:37,010 --> 01:10:39,260
Ergo, capable.

1717
01:10:39,260 --> 01:10:41,165
You see how people
get into these loops.

1718
01:10:41,165 --> 01:10:43,790
And as you mentioned, you spent
the first 20 years of your life

1719
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:46,790
in extremely challenged
circumstances.

1720
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:48,950
And then you can see how
people get to a point

1721
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:52,080
where everything feels hard.

1722
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,330
Like, when you're 300 pounds--

1723
01:10:53,330 --> 01:10:55,940
I haven't ever been 300 pounds.

1724
01:10:55,940 --> 01:10:59,400
But I can't imagine it feels
good to get up and move around.

1725
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:00,650
DAVID GOGGINS: It's defeating.

1726
01:11:00,650 --> 01:11:01,983
ANDREW HUBERMAN: I got a friend.

1727
01:11:01,983 --> 01:11:04,340
He's in excess of 300 pounds.

1728
01:11:04,340 --> 01:11:05,900
We've been trying
on him for years.

1729
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:07,700
But no win.

1730
01:11:07,700 --> 01:11:10,460
And he's got crazy psoriasis
on the back of his calves.

1731
01:11:10,460 --> 01:11:13,160
And he actually
smells bad sometimes

1732
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,920
because he can't wash
as well as he would.

1733
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,690
He's big, big.

1734
01:11:17,690 --> 01:11:20,690
And it pulls all my sympathy.

1735
01:11:20,690 --> 01:11:23,135
But life is very hard for
him and getting worse.

1736
01:11:23,135 --> 01:11:25,010
He's a young guy with
a lot of medical issues

1737
01:11:25,010 --> 01:11:27,360
now, for obvious reasons.

1738
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:31,380
And so I think people like that
think, well, it's already hard.

1739
01:11:31,380 --> 01:11:34,460
Why would I make it harder?

1740
01:11:34,460 --> 01:11:36,290
Your message is a
little different.

1741
01:11:36,290 --> 01:11:38,210
And you have the
life experience.

1742
01:11:38,210 --> 01:11:38,960
DAVID GOGGINS: It's
a lot different.

1743
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,418
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
You've been there.

1744
01:11:40,418 --> 01:11:44,465
So for me, saying, oh
yeah, lose weight--

1745
01:11:44,465 --> 01:11:47,920
I was a skinny guy who got
to be a less skinny guy.

1746
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:53,000
So I don't really have
a foot to stand on.

1747
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,290
What do you say to those
people who are like,

1748
01:11:55,290 --> 01:11:58,620
listen, getting up in
the morning is hard.

1749
01:11:58,620 --> 01:12:00,900
Trying to not dissolve into
a puddle of my own tears

1750
01:12:00,900 --> 01:12:03,880
and my own misery is hard.

1751
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,360
DAVID GOGGINS: You know why
people connect with my books

1752
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:06,990
so well?

1753
01:12:06,990 --> 01:12:09,270
For some reason, God put me
in almost every fucked up

1754
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:11,410
situation on the planet Earth.

1755
01:12:11,410 --> 01:12:14,680
So when I talk to people,
it's not sugar-coated

1756
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:21,520
because I'm not saying it from I
was a 175 pounds my whole life.

1757
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,930
I don't say much
to those people.

1758
01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:27,100
Maybe you're a piece of shit.

1759
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:29,770
Maybe you want to be nobody.

1760
01:12:29,770 --> 01:12:31,960
Maybe you're happy exactly
where you are in life

1761
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:33,370
because obviously, you are.

1762
01:12:33,370 --> 01:12:35,230
Maybe you don't have
the determination

1763
01:12:35,230 --> 01:12:37,730
to be somebody better
than who you are.

1764
01:12:37,730 --> 01:12:42,880
And if you want to live with
that, I'll support you in that.

1765
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,210
If you're good with being who
you are, that every day you

1766
01:12:46,210 --> 01:12:48,640
wake up, and every day, you
smell like shit because you

1767
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,280
can't wash your body well,
and your skin is messed up

1768
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,050
because your health's
so bad, and you

1769
01:12:53,050 --> 01:12:54,820
can't put your clothes on
right, you need help with that.

1770
01:12:54,820 --> 01:12:56,612
You need help like--
when I was 300 pounds,

1771
01:12:56,612 --> 01:12:59,320
I needed help wiping my ass.

1772
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,070
That makes you feel good?

1773
01:13:02,070 --> 01:13:04,090
Nothing I can say to you.

1774
01:13:04,090 --> 01:13:08,490
If every day you wake up with
this-- see, people are haunted.

1775
01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:10,947
But they obviously
like horror films

1776
01:13:10,947 --> 01:13:13,030
because they keep watching
the same fucking movie.

1777
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:14,730
I don't like horror films.

1778
01:13:14,730 --> 01:13:16,630
A lot of people
like horror films.

1779
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:18,400
So I don't say much to them.

1780
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,600
I say exactly what I
said to you right there

1781
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,180
because I was once you.

1782
01:13:24,180 --> 01:13:26,610
I didn't like horror
films, so I changed it.

1783
01:13:26,610 --> 01:13:28,620
Some people are just--

1784
01:13:28,620 --> 01:13:31,590
they become-- like you
said, it gets real small

1785
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:35,790
when you're lazy and
you're fat, your will.

1786
01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:39,150
Their will is so small
that they don't have any.

1787
01:13:39,150 --> 01:13:41,050
And you can't give it to them.

1788
01:13:41,050 --> 01:13:42,870
There has to be
something-- this is

1789
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:47,100
what I'm talking about now
because this isn't a hack.

1790
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:49,650
This has to be in you.

1791
01:13:49,650 --> 01:13:53,200
Something in you has to wake up.

1792
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,720
And usually, the only person
that can wake it up is you.

1793
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,520
Sometimes you can read
a David Goggins book

1794
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:03,030
because I was all this shit and
then a lot more of fucked up.

1795
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:08,240
But if you don't have a
little flame, just barely--

1796
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,510
you're done.

1797
01:14:10,510 --> 01:14:13,210
I can't light it for you.

1798
01:14:13,210 --> 01:14:15,910
And that's the harsh
reality of this life

1799
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:18,700
that I want to get
across so fucking bad.

1800
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:19,930
You can watch me.

1801
01:14:19,930 --> 01:14:20,710
You can watch you.

1802
01:14:20,710 --> 01:14:22,250
You can watch fucking
Rogan and Cameron

1803
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:23,542
Hanes, all these motherfuckers.

1804
01:14:23,542 --> 01:14:26,470
You can go to Tony
Robbins's fucking bullshit,

1805
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:27,340
all this shit.

1806
01:14:27,340 --> 01:14:30,185
You can do all this shit.

1807
01:14:30,185 --> 01:14:32,510
You're going to keep
going back and keep

1808
01:14:32,510 --> 01:14:35,030
spending money and
spending money and spending

1809
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:36,350
money with no results.

1810
01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:37,580
You're going to wonder, wow.

1811
01:14:37,580 --> 01:14:39,890
Maybe let me go try
out David Goggins.

1812
01:14:39,890 --> 01:14:42,660
He ain't going to
fucking help you.

1813
01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:47,920
You have to explore, examine
the insides of yourself.

1814
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,890
And what do you really
want out of life?

1815
01:14:49,890 --> 01:14:52,080
Your friend and a lot
of people out here

1816
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,130
just don't fucking want it.

1817
01:14:54,130 --> 01:14:56,710
So guess what?

1818
01:14:56,710 --> 01:14:58,950
Have fun with your life.

1819
01:14:58,950 --> 01:15:03,080
Go from 300 to 350
to 400 to 450 to 500

1820
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,410
because you don't want it.

1821
01:15:07,410 --> 01:15:09,240
And that's the harsh reality.

1822
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,310
I can't give you shit.

1823
01:15:11,310 --> 01:15:12,930
You can't give them shit.

1824
01:15:12,930 --> 01:15:14,510
We can give you ideas.

1825
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:18,150
But end of the day, when
I was losing the weight,

1826
01:15:18,150 --> 01:15:22,890
I had to miserably wake up
every morning in the cold

1827
01:15:22,890 --> 01:15:25,440
because it was Indiana,
November, when it started.

1828
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:28,920
I was miserable.

1829
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,850
This is your new life.

1830
01:15:31,850 --> 01:15:33,170
Take it or leave it.

1831
01:15:33,170 --> 01:15:35,210
There's no happiness about it.

1832
01:15:35,210 --> 01:15:37,840
There's no peace behind it.

1833
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:38,800
It sucks.

1834
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,800
It just fucking sucks.

1835
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,120
And that's the one thing, if I
could teach anybody anything,

1836
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,985
it just fucking sucks.

1837
01:15:48,985 --> 01:15:51,470
And it's going to
continue to suck.

1838
01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:54,620
And then one day, you'll get
to a special part in your life

1839
01:15:54,620 --> 01:15:56,660
that it might get a
little bit better.

1840
01:15:56,660 --> 01:16:02,480
But to lose the weight you
have to lose, my friend, sorry.

1841
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:05,055
It's going to suck every
fucking day because then when

1842
01:16:05,055 --> 01:16:07,430
you're 300 pounds, you're
going to go out to lose weight,

1843
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:09,520
you could probably get injured.

1844
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,200
So then you got to
work on the injury.

1845
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:12,460
And then you get
even more depressed.

1846
01:16:12,460 --> 01:16:13,660
This is what I went through.

1847
01:16:13,660 --> 01:16:16,550
And then you're hungry
because now you're depressed.

1848
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:18,830
It's just a vicious cycle.

1849
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:21,190
And if you're not
strong mentally

1850
01:16:21,190 --> 01:16:23,500
and you have no
willpower, you're

1851
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:25,690
going to continue
falling back in this hole

1852
01:16:25,690 --> 01:16:27,350
versus the man that
sits back and goes,

1853
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:28,690
all right, motherfucker.

1854
01:16:28,690 --> 01:16:31,120
This is why I cuss because
this is what is in me.

1855
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,120
This is what it took
for me to be me.

1856
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,050
Sorry.

1857
01:16:35,050 --> 01:16:37,340
It didn't take, hey, OK,
we're going to do this today.

1858
01:16:37,340 --> 01:16:37,840
No.

1859
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,970
This fucking really sucks.

1860
01:16:39,970 --> 01:16:41,710
This is real, dude.

1861
01:16:41,710 --> 01:16:43,060
This is real.

1862
01:16:43,060 --> 01:16:46,210
And every day, I'm set back.

1863
01:16:46,210 --> 01:16:46,930
I'm set back.

1864
01:16:46,930 --> 01:16:47,590
I'm set back.

1865
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:48,430
I'm set back.

1866
01:16:48,430 --> 01:16:50,440
So this is what I
would tell your boy.

1867
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:51,910
This is exactly
what I'd tell him.

1868
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:53,980
Every day you wake up,
you're going to probably

1869
01:16:53,980 --> 01:16:55,480
be set back for the
first four weeks

1870
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:58,907
before you lose significant
weight because the mind is

1871
01:16:58,907 --> 01:17:00,740
going to be fucking
with you the whole time.

1872
01:17:00,740 --> 01:17:02,870
There's no dopamine.

1873
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:05,480
There's no dopamine in
there at 300 pounds.

1874
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:06,440
You got nothing.

1875
01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:08,700
Your hormones are shot.

1876
01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:13,880
You have to envision something
that is more powerful than you.

1877
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,050
Something has to
get you out of bed.

1878
01:17:17,050 --> 01:17:18,680
And you have to create it.

1879
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,940
It has to be false
because you're not it.

1880
01:17:21,940 --> 01:17:23,800
You're a fat piece of shit.

1881
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,150
And that's the reality of it.

1882
01:17:25,150 --> 01:17:30,930
So you have to create a false
reality, to live in that

1883
01:17:30,930 --> 01:17:35,040
just to get to work on yourself.

1884
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:36,440
That's the reality.

1885
01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:38,190
ANDREW HUBERMAN: He'll
see this, and he'll

1886
01:17:38,190 --> 01:17:39,190
appreciate that message.

1887
01:17:39,190 --> 01:17:40,680
We'll see what he does.

1888
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:41,722
DAVID GOGGINS: We'll see.

1889
01:17:41,722 --> 01:17:44,880
ANDREW HUBERMAN: So far, last
13 years, it's been no movement.

1890
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,930
But I have had other
friends who were

1891
01:17:48,930 --> 01:17:52,290
drug and alcohol addicts who
quit after one conversation.

1892
01:17:52,290 --> 01:17:53,100
Never went back.

1893
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:54,350
DAVID GOGGINS: That's awesome.

1894
01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:55,500
That means they want it.

1895
01:17:55,500 --> 01:17:58,320
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Yeah, just
one guy, I won't out him,

1896
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,980
but walked up to me at a
party in 2019, July 4th party,

1897
01:18:01,980 --> 01:18:04,350
and said, I'm a pile.

1898
01:18:04,350 --> 01:18:05,110
And I go, what?

1899
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:05,910
And he goes, I'm a pile.

1900
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:06,240
Look at me.

1901
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:07,440
I'm 60 pounds overweight.

1902
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:08,130
And I go, do you drink?

1903
01:18:08,130 --> 01:18:08,820
He goes, every day.

1904
01:18:08,820 --> 01:18:09,445
I go, how much?

1905
01:18:09,445 --> 01:18:11,330
He goes, a case.

1906
01:18:11,330 --> 01:18:12,800
He goes, I smoke a lot of weed.

1907
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,900
But he's successful in
other areas of his life.

1908
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:18,020
And so I said, well,
here's what I know.

1909
01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:20,420
Quit alcohol and weed for you.

1910
01:18:20,420 --> 01:18:22,460
I'm not telling
people what to do.

1911
01:18:22,460 --> 01:18:24,680
Don't eat until 2:00 PM.

1912
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,860
Get on an exercise
bike, and pedal

1913
01:18:27,860 --> 01:18:31,920
in the morning like someone's
chasing you with a poison dart

1914
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,330
until you want to puke.

1915
01:18:33,330 --> 01:18:35,580
And I was kind of half-joking.

1916
01:18:35,580 --> 01:18:39,223
And then two months
later, he was, like,

1917
01:18:39,223 --> 01:18:40,140
I haven't had a drink.

1918
01:18:40,140 --> 01:18:41,000
I lost 30 pounds.

1919
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,000
He lost those 60 pounds.

1920
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:42,792
He never went back.

1921
01:18:42,792 --> 01:18:44,610
Now, he's super fit.

1922
01:18:44,610 --> 01:18:45,480
It's amazing.

1923
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:47,310
So some people flip the switch.

1924
01:18:47,310 --> 01:18:50,273
He is very
self-critical by nature.

1925
01:18:50,273 --> 01:18:51,690
DAVID GOGGINS:
That's what flips--

1926
01:18:51,690 --> 01:18:53,130
ANDREW HUBERMAN: He's
super self-critical.

1927
01:18:53,130 --> 01:18:53,922
DAVID GOGGINS: Yep.

1928
01:18:53,922 --> 01:18:55,650
That's what flips the switch.

1929
01:18:55,650 --> 01:18:57,000
Think about it, man.

1930
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,500
We know what to do.

1931
01:18:59,500 --> 01:19:02,620
We don't need Andrew Huberman
to tell us what to do.

1932
01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:05,620
We know what to do,
every one of us.

1933
01:19:05,620 --> 01:19:10,010
That's why he flipped it so
fast because he knew what to do.

1934
01:19:10,010 --> 01:19:13,490
He didn't go by
your exact protocol.

1935
01:19:13,490 --> 01:19:15,320
He didn't go by the exact--

1936
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:15,920
no.

1937
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,840
He knew exactly what to do.

1938
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,430
And you just saying some shit
to him, it woke something up.

1939
01:19:24,430 --> 01:19:25,550
He knew what to do.

1940
01:19:25,550 --> 01:19:28,720
And that's the thing that
people need to get that.

1941
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:29,620
You know what to do.

1942
01:19:29,620 --> 01:19:31,510
Why aren't you doing it?

1943
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:34,332
ANDREW HUBERMAN: And I'm
talking about myself now.

1944
01:19:34,332 --> 01:19:37,270
Those modes of just kind
of passive consumption,

1945
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:39,440
they're so easy to wash over us.

1946
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:41,440
I used to have this thing,
and I'm fighting this

1947
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,390
now because I knew we were
going to have this conversation

1948
01:19:43,390 --> 01:19:44,848
today, where I like
to start things

1949
01:19:44,848 --> 01:19:46,240
on the hour or the half hour.

1950
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:50,690
Worst practice in
the world for me

1951
01:19:50,690 --> 01:19:55,550
because if I miss that half
hour, I'm like, oh, it's 12:33.

1952
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:58,130
I'll start at 12:45.

1953
01:19:58,130 --> 01:20:00,170
Ah, it's 12:45.

1954
01:20:00,170 --> 01:20:01,280
I'll start at 1:00.

1955
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,860
I just lost time.

1956
01:20:03,860 --> 01:20:05,848
And so this is so stupid.

1957
01:20:05,848 --> 01:20:07,390
And the other day,
I was like, man, I

1958
01:20:07,390 --> 01:20:10,460
got to tell David about this
because my new thing is I start

1959
01:20:10,460 --> 01:20:12,262
no matter what time it is.

1960
01:20:12,262 --> 01:20:13,970
If I wake up in the
middle of the night--

1961
01:20:13,970 --> 01:20:14,400
I got a friend.

1962
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:15,470
He paints in the
middle of the night.

1963
01:20:15,470 --> 01:20:16,720
I'm like, you're an insomniac?

1964
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:17,808
He's like, I don't know.

1965
01:20:17,808 --> 01:20:18,350
I just do it.

1966
01:20:18,350 --> 01:20:19,580
Then sometimes he
goes back to sleep.

1967
01:20:19,580 --> 01:20:20,555
Sometimes he doesn't.

1968
01:20:20,555 --> 01:20:21,680
Everyone's got their thing.

1969
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:22,400
But I thought about this.

1970
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,470
I'm like, no more am I
going to say I'm starting

1971
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:26,420
at 1:00 because I know me.

1972
01:20:26,420 --> 01:20:30,320
If I miss the 1:00 ding and then
my pen's not hitting the paper

1973
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,300
or I'm not typing
on the keyboard,

1974
01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:33,530
I'm not going to do it.

1975
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:36,260
But That's a
self-admitted weakness.

1976
01:20:36,260 --> 01:20:37,790
DAVID GOGGINS: I love it, man.

1977
01:20:37,790 --> 01:20:40,950
I had that for a lot of years.

1978
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:43,020
I know I'm going to do it.

1979
01:20:43,020 --> 01:20:48,870
That's the haunting part is
that it's going to happen.

1980
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:51,230
It has to happen.

1981
01:20:51,230 --> 01:20:52,420
And that's a fact.

1982
01:20:52,420 --> 01:20:55,830
Like, there's no get out
of jail free card, bro.

1983
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:56,850
None.

1984
01:20:56,850 --> 01:21:00,060
Like, that is a life
that I don't know.

1985
01:21:00,060 --> 01:21:03,800
I don't have that ability.

1986
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:04,970
Or I have the ability.

1987
01:21:04,970 --> 01:21:07,960
I don't have the--

1988
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,410
I'm not good enough,
smart enough.

1989
01:21:11,410 --> 01:21:16,500
I'm not talented
enough to do that.

1990
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:18,190
Some people are.

1991
01:21:18,190 --> 01:21:19,660
Some people can start at 1:00.

1992
01:21:19,660 --> 01:21:22,080
Some people don't
have to start at all.

1993
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:27,125
If you lack talent, you
can't sit back and say,

1994
01:21:27,125 --> 01:21:30,260
I'll start in half an hour.

1995
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:31,340
I can't do that.

1996
01:21:31,340 --> 01:21:32,750
I got to start now.

1997
01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:35,720
And after I get back from
starting, I got to start again.

1998
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,510
And then when I get done with
that run or that study session,

1999
01:21:38,510 --> 01:21:41,070
if it wasn't good enough,
I got to go back again

2000
01:21:41,070 --> 01:21:45,270
because repetition is
what taught me everything.

2001
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:48,220
So you can honestly
outwork anything.

2002
01:21:48,220 --> 01:21:53,050
But it's that you, obviously,
are a very talented man.

2003
01:21:53,050 --> 01:21:56,020
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Well, I have
worked hard at certain things

2004
01:21:56,020 --> 01:21:59,050
and built up some
things that I've

2005
01:21:59,050 --> 01:22:00,258
been good at most of my life.

2006
01:22:00,258 --> 01:22:01,508
DAVID GOGGINS: You're amazing.

2007
01:22:01,508 --> 01:22:03,970
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Gathering,
organizing, and disseminating

2008
01:22:03,970 --> 01:22:04,870
information's
something I've been

2009
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:05,740
doing since I was a little kid.

2010
01:22:05,740 --> 01:22:08,140
I used to give lectures at
school on Monday about stuff

2011
01:22:08,140 --> 01:22:09,340
I learned over the weekend.

2012
01:22:09,340 --> 01:22:10,060
DAVID GOGGINS: See,
check that out.

2013
01:22:10,060 --> 01:22:12,227
ANDREW HUBERMAN: But they
took me to a psychiatrist.

2014
01:22:12,227 --> 01:22:13,030
We're the same age.

2015
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:14,960
Back then, if you got
sent to a psychiatrist,

2016
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:16,210
people thought you were crazy.

2017
01:22:16,210 --> 01:22:16,930
DAVID GOGGINS: I was one.

2018
01:22:16,930 --> 01:22:17,620
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Yeah, exactly.

2019
01:22:17,620 --> 01:22:18,190
DAVID GOGGINS: I was one.

2020
01:22:18,190 --> 01:22:19,232
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Exactly.

2021
01:22:19,232 --> 01:22:20,820
So I remember
feeling like a freak.

2022
01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:23,440
Also, I didn't have a stutter,
but I had a grunting tic.

2023
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:24,970
It comes back when I'm tired.

2024
01:22:24,970 --> 01:22:27,920
And the only thing that
helped that was hitting

2025
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,262
my head on something,
shaking my head,

2026
01:22:31,262 --> 01:22:33,470
which is why skateboarding
was good because I'd slam,

2027
01:22:33,470 --> 01:22:34,580
and I'd feel like, oh.

2028
01:22:34,580 --> 01:22:35,480
I feel good.

2029
01:22:35,480 --> 01:22:37,250
But that's not healthy.

2030
01:22:37,250 --> 01:22:38,030
That's not good.

2031
01:22:38,030 --> 01:22:39,240
Or just work.

2032
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:40,460
Work is what gets it out.

2033
01:22:40,460 --> 01:22:42,710
It's like an-- it's
like an RPM or high.

2034
01:22:42,710 --> 01:22:45,500
[REVVING SOUND]
Anyway, that's me.

2035
01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:47,597
But yeah, I think
certain things over time,

2036
01:22:47,597 --> 01:22:50,180
I feel like talent or gifts or
whatever you want to call them,

2037
01:22:50,180 --> 01:22:51,597
but there are many
things that are

2038
01:22:51,597 --> 01:22:54,140
exceedingly difficult for me.

2039
01:22:54,140 --> 01:22:55,940
And I have learned
from your example.

2040
01:22:55,940 --> 01:22:59,030
I know that you are very
both humble and very clear

2041
01:22:59,030 --> 01:23:01,970
that you don't have--
you say, you're

2042
01:23:01,970 --> 01:23:03,590
not going to get it
by examining you.

2043
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:06,020
But I think the way
you're sharing today

2044
01:23:06,020 --> 01:23:09,330
and the way you've shared
it on other podcasts before,

2045
01:23:09,330 --> 01:23:11,990
there are pieces
that really help

2046
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:15,095
people feel into
the process of what

2047
01:23:15,095 --> 01:23:16,220
you're talking about today.

2048
01:23:16,220 --> 01:23:19,280
We're elaborating on it, I
think, a lot, this notion

2049
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,440
of being haunted and the stick.

2050
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:25,070
I mean, of course, of course,
now it makes so much sense why

2051
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:27,680
you don't want to talk about
sleep or rest or recovery

2052
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:28,790
because that's--

2053
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:30,062
sure, that's important.

2054
01:23:30,062 --> 01:23:31,520
I've heard you say,
yes, you sleep.

2055
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:32,210
Yes, you eat.

2056
01:23:32,210 --> 01:23:33,050
Yes, you hydrate.

2057
01:23:33,050 --> 01:23:35,480
Yes, you will stretch
your psoas or whatever.

2058
01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:37,980
But it's funny how that
becomes the viral message.

2059
01:23:37,980 --> 01:23:38,930
DAVID GOGGINS: That's why
I said fuck that today.

2060
01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:40,763
ANDREW HUBERMAN: But
that's not the unique--

2061
01:23:40,763 --> 01:23:44,210
that's not the unique
message that you carry.

2062
01:23:44,210 --> 01:23:46,960
Like, anyone can
talk about that.

2063
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:47,960
So do I have that right?

2064
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:49,550
That you're acknowledging
sleep is important.

2065
01:23:49,550 --> 01:23:50,300
Recovery is important.

2066
01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:50,600
DAVID GOGGINS: Yes.

2067
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,697
ANDREW HUBERMAN: But that's
not what you're about.

2068
01:23:52,697 --> 01:23:54,530
DAVID GOGGINS: You have
to forego something.

2069
01:23:54,530 --> 01:23:55,760
Yes.

2070
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,170
Ice baths.

2071
01:23:57,170 --> 01:23:58,250
Saunas.

2072
01:23:58,250 --> 01:23:59,220
Sleep.

2073
01:23:59,220 --> 01:24:00,380
Nutrition.

2074
01:24:00,380 --> 01:24:03,380
All this shit's so
fucking important, dude.

2075
01:24:03,380 --> 01:24:06,580
I don't have time
for some of it.

2076
01:24:06,580 --> 01:24:10,270
To extract what I had to
extract, something had to give.

2077
01:24:10,270 --> 01:24:12,280
Like, you talk about you
when you were younger.

2078
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,310
You would give these
speeches and stuff.

2079
01:24:15,310 --> 01:24:17,560
The same age you
were giving speeches,

2080
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:21,250
I was trying to figure out how
to say the without stuttering.

2081
01:24:21,250 --> 01:24:24,700
And I realized, as I got older,
that all these things are

2082
01:24:24,700 --> 01:24:26,800
important.

2083
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,987
But for me to stop
stuttering, I got

2084
01:24:28,987 --> 01:24:32,040
to build fucking confidence.

2085
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,890
And speech therapy
didn't help that.

2086
01:24:34,890 --> 01:24:36,420
Nothing helped that.

2087
01:24:36,420 --> 01:24:40,200
I have to forgo a lot of
shit to be as fucked up

2088
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,470
as I am to build
confidence, for me

2089
01:24:43,470 --> 01:24:46,843
to stand in a fucking room of
10,000-- of one person, and not

2090
01:24:46,843 --> 01:24:49,260
[STUTTERING SOUNDS] and be
like, oh, and put my head down.

2091
01:24:49,260 --> 01:24:51,420
Let me look around.

2092
01:24:51,420 --> 01:24:54,457
Let me read these
paragraphs first.

2093
01:24:54,457 --> 01:24:56,040
And then before I
read the paragraphs,

2094
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:57,540
because they're
calling me next, let

2095
01:24:57,540 --> 01:25:00,080
me just leave the room
because I'm going to stutter.

2096
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,280
That's a miserable life.

2097
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,400
And that's one of many
things I did besides lying,

2098
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,920
besides being insecure,
besides being immature,

2099
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,128
besides being fat, besides
being one of the only Black kids

2100
01:25:11,128 --> 01:25:11,670
in my school.

2101
01:25:11,670 --> 01:25:16,680
There's a lot of things I had
to overcome to gain confidence.

2102
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:20,520
And in doing so, a
lot of that had to go.

2103
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:21,340
A lot of it.

2104
01:25:21,340 --> 01:25:24,210
So I became the guy that became,
once again, misunderstood.

2105
01:25:24,210 --> 01:25:26,490
You only sleep four hours
a day, two hours a day?

2106
01:25:26,490 --> 01:25:28,770
Sometimes you
don't sleep at all?

2107
01:25:28,770 --> 01:25:31,320
Like, what's this, and
what's this, and what's this?

2108
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:35,010
I know it's all important.

2109
01:25:35,010 --> 01:25:35,510
I can't.

2110
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:36,710
Something's got to go.

2111
01:25:36,710 --> 01:25:39,440
For me to get confidence,
because confidence

2112
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:41,720
is the building block of
where I'm trying to go,

2113
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,000
for me to gain
confidence in myself,

2114
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,730
this fucked up kid has got
to do a lot of fucked up shit

2115
01:25:46,730 --> 01:25:48,350
to gain confidence.

2116
01:25:48,350 --> 01:25:51,020
And along the way,
the stutter went away.

2117
01:25:51,020 --> 01:25:52,640
And I gained confidence.

2118
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,720
And now, my life is
a little bit more--

2119
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,410
there is no balance.

2120
01:25:59,410 --> 01:26:01,050
There is no balance.

2121
01:26:01,050 --> 01:26:05,138
It's a little bit more what it
should be for a lot of people.

2122
01:26:05,138 --> 01:26:07,680
But there'll never be balance
because confidence is something

2123
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,030
that you're constantly--

2124
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:13,420
confidence and belief
you're building every day.

2125
01:26:13,420 --> 01:26:15,692
And so something's got to give.

2126
01:26:15,692 --> 01:26:17,400
And I'm willing to
forego a lot of things

2127
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,940
to have that because
I know if you

2128
01:26:20,940 --> 01:26:23,560
want to give
somebody kryptonite,

2129
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,470
take that shit away from them.

2130
01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:27,480
So yeah, I don't
sleep sometimes.

2131
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:29,290
And sometimes I don't
eat the right way.

2132
01:26:29,290 --> 01:26:31,790
And sometimes I don't do this
and do that and whatever, man.

2133
01:26:31,790 --> 01:26:34,290
But you put me in a room
of 10,000 people any time

2134
01:26:34,290 --> 01:26:36,300
of the day, and I'll
walk in there thinking

2135
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:38,130
I'm the baddest
motherfucker in here

2136
01:26:38,130 --> 01:26:40,350
because I know what it
took to be on this stage.

2137
01:26:40,350 --> 01:26:42,760
And a lot of people
would not do that.

2138
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,952
So that's what it takes.

2139
01:26:44,952 --> 01:26:46,410
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
There's a question

2140
01:26:46,410 --> 01:26:48,720
I've been wanting to ask
you since we started.

2141
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,310
And I thought about
coming in here.

2142
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:52,390
And I've been thinking about
in the weeks ahead of this.

2143
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:54,750
And I'm going to just come
clean and say I don't exactly

2144
01:26:54,750 --> 01:26:56,900
know how to ask the question.

2145
01:26:56,900 --> 01:26:58,180
DAVID GOGGINS: Just ask it.

2146
01:26:58,180 --> 01:26:59,930
ANDREW HUBERMAN: It's
about relationships.

2147
01:26:59,930 --> 01:27:01,180
DAVID GOGGINS: Oh, do it, man.

2148
01:27:01,180 --> 01:27:05,840
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
So I know in myself

2149
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,110
that my discipline is much
higher when it's just me.

2150
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:12,853
But that's because I had
certain things early on.

2151
01:27:12,853 --> 01:27:14,270
But then I was a
terrible student.

2152
01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:15,150
Barely finished high school.

2153
01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:16,942
But then when I got
serious, I got serious.

2154
01:27:16,942 --> 01:27:20,360
But I did that by staying
away from everybody.

2155
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:25,250
And anyone's who's ever had
a relationship of any kind,

2156
01:27:25,250 --> 01:27:27,290
but in particular,
romantic relationships,

2157
01:27:27,290 --> 01:27:30,830
knows that, yes, you can derive
tremendous support from those.

2158
01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:31,900
Like, you got this, baby.

2159
01:27:31,900 --> 01:27:32,400
You can go.

2160
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:33,317
And you're like, yeah.

2161
01:27:33,317 --> 01:27:34,170
I got this.

2162
01:27:34,170 --> 01:27:35,918
She said I got this.

2163
01:27:35,918 --> 01:27:38,210
Feels great to finish something
and share with someone,

2164
01:27:38,210 --> 01:27:40,730
share a meal, get the hug.

2165
01:27:40,730 --> 01:27:43,250
But there's another
side to all of that

2166
01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:45,420
that I'd like to learn
more about from you,

2167
01:27:45,420 --> 01:27:48,500
which is there's a
warm body next to you

2168
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:49,550
in bed in the morning.

2169
01:27:49,550 --> 01:27:50,760
You don't want to get up.

2170
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:52,460
They also have needs.

2171
01:27:52,460 --> 01:27:56,810
You've got your mission
that people sometimes

2172
01:27:56,810 --> 01:27:58,130
need things from us.

2173
01:27:58,130 --> 01:28:00,890
But also, oftentimes,
the people that

2174
01:28:00,890 --> 01:28:04,200
love us most, that truly love
us and that want to support us,

2175
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,230
don't understand this thing.

2176
01:28:07,230 --> 01:28:12,130
And they're the first people
to tell us, like, listen.

2177
01:28:12,130 --> 01:28:13,330
Take a day off.

2178
01:28:13,330 --> 01:28:15,490
And then this whole cycle,
at least in my head,

2179
01:28:15,490 --> 01:28:17,500
goes off, like, you
just want a vacation.

2180
01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:19,630
And then it's almost
like a paranoia.

2181
01:28:19,630 --> 01:28:21,970
I'm not saying anything
nice about myself right now.

2182
01:28:21,970 --> 01:28:22,480
DAVID GOGGINS: All good, man.

2183
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:23,110
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
Former girlfriends

2184
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:24,235
are going to be like, yeah.

2185
01:28:24,235 --> 01:28:25,850
Like, they remember that.

2186
01:28:25,850 --> 01:28:29,423
And so support of people
close to you is critical.

2187
01:28:29,423 --> 01:28:30,340
This could be friends.

2188
01:28:30,340 --> 01:28:31,240
Could be romantic partners.

2189
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:31,930
Whatever.

2190
01:28:31,930 --> 01:28:35,542
But they're also-- the
knife cuts both ways.

2191
01:28:35,542 --> 01:28:37,000
It can be the thing
that can really

2192
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,480
undermine this thing that you're
talking about because people

2193
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:42,857
that care about us also
want to see us comfortable.

2194
01:28:42,857 --> 01:28:43,940
They want to see us happy.

2195
01:28:43,940 --> 01:28:45,160
They want to see us peaceful.

2196
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,452
They want to see us wake up
from a great night's sleep.

2197
01:28:47,452 --> 01:28:49,420
And they want things too.

2198
01:28:49,420 --> 01:28:51,928
So how do you untangle
that whole bit?

2199
01:28:51,928 --> 01:28:53,470
DAVID GOGGINS: Well,
it's funny, man.

2200
01:28:53,470 --> 01:28:55,630
I'm unbalanced, but
I'm mostly unbalanced

2201
01:28:55,630 --> 01:28:58,783
towards the family side, which
people don't get about me.

2202
01:28:58,783 --> 01:28:59,950
I'll start being unbalanced.

2203
01:28:59,950 --> 01:29:01,460
I get all my stuff in.

2204
01:29:01,460 --> 01:29:04,150
But what I do is I make sure
that my family has everything

2205
01:29:04,150 --> 01:29:08,760
they need, everything
they need, those who

2206
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,700
want to be part of my family.

2207
01:29:10,700 --> 01:29:11,540
Some don't.

2208
01:29:11,540 --> 01:29:14,240
Some family members don't want
to be part of David Goggins.

2209
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:14,750
I get it.

2210
01:29:14,750 --> 01:29:15,530
I got it.

2211
01:29:15,530 --> 01:29:16,910
That's life.

2212
01:29:16,910 --> 01:29:20,000
Those who are part
of my family, I

2213
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,100
give them everything
they need so they

2214
01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:25,030
can leave me the fuck alone.

2215
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:27,820
I make sure you're happy as fuck
because I got to go to work.

2216
01:29:27,820 --> 01:29:30,700
And I don't mean smokejumping.

2217
01:29:30,700 --> 01:29:32,770
I don't mean running.

2218
01:29:32,770 --> 01:29:34,550
I mean all of it.

2219
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:35,930
It takes every--

2220
01:29:35,930 --> 01:29:38,400
I can't have you
in my fucking shit.

2221
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:39,570
I can't.

2222
01:29:39,570 --> 01:29:42,027
So I know for me
to have a family,

2223
01:29:42,027 --> 01:29:44,360
I gotta make sure that you
realize I'm going to give you

2224
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:44,970
everything you need.

2225
01:29:44,970 --> 01:29:46,345
So when you start
bitching at me,

2226
01:29:46,345 --> 01:29:48,990
I'm going to say, look, hang on.

2227
01:29:48,990 --> 01:29:51,390
I dedicated my life to give
you everything you need.

2228
01:29:51,390 --> 01:29:54,263
I need this time
right here for me

2229
01:29:54,263 --> 01:29:56,430
to be the best I can be
because this journey started

2230
01:29:56,430 --> 01:29:58,130
without anybody.

2231
01:29:58,130 --> 01:30:00,800
And I make sure everybody knows
that who comes in my life.

2232
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,780
I've been left-- think about it.

2233
01:30:03,780 --> 01:30:09,940
I was left alone at a young
age to figure this shit out.

2234
01:30:09,940 --> 01:30:13,710
I figured it out for myself
and have been very successful

2235
01:30:13,710 --> 01:30:14,830
for myself.

2236
01:30:14,830 --> 01:30:17,688
No one's going to come in
here and fuck with my shit.

2237
01:30:17,688 --> 01:30:20,230
That's why I make sure I will
take care of whatever you need.

2238
01:30:20,230 --> 01:30:22,180
Whatever you need
from me, you got it.

2239
01:30:22,180 --> 01:30:25,120
Money, house, my
love, my support,

2240
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,460
I'm going to give you
everything you need.

2241
01:30:27,460 --> 01:30:31,315
That said, I do it the
highest level possible.

2242
01:30:31,315 --> 01:30:33,440
And I'm saying that with
Jennifer in the next room.

2243
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:34,630
So please come here
and say something

2244
01:30:34,630 --> 01:30:35,470
if it's wrong, Jennifer.

2245
01:30:35,470 --> 01:30:36,303
I don't give a fuck.

2246
01:30:36,303 --> 01:30:37,690
Say what you got to say.

2247
01:30:37,690 --> 01:30:40,480
So then when it's time
for me to go to work,

2248
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:43,540
I expect you to
do the same for me

2249
01:30:43,540 --> 01:30:48,140
because it takes every bit of
me to do what I have to do.

2250
01:30:48,140 --> 01:30:52,160
So I make sure that I'm very
unbalanced from my family

2251
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:56,210
so I can be exactly that
unbalanced for myself.

2252
01:30:56,210 --> 01:30:58,230
And that's how I do it.

2253
01:30:58,230 --> 01:31:00,880
I let people know
right up front,

2254
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:06,370
I'm not what you want in a man.

2255
01:31:06,370 --> 01:31:07,900
I guarantee that.

2256
01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:09,845
There's going to be
a lot of late nights,

2257
01:31:09,845 --> 01:31:11,470
a lot of early
mornings, a lot of times

2258
01:31:11,470 --> 01:31:14,740
where I got to be by myself
thinking about the process that

2259
01:31:14,740 --> 01:31:16,660
is next in my mind.

2260
01:31:16,660 --> 01:31:17,950
I can't have aggravation.

2261
01:31:17,950 --> 01:31:18,430
I can't have this.

2262
01:31:18,430 --> 01:31:18,850
Can't have that.

2263
01:31:18,850 --> 01:31:19,850
There's a lot of things.

2264
01:31:19,850 --> 01:31:21,700
But I let them know up front.

2265
01:31:21,700 --> 01:31:23,650
I'm very vocal about that.

2266
01:31:23,650 --> 01:31:25,480
Sometimes relationships
work for me.

2267
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:27,260
Sometimes they didn't.

2268
01:31:27,260 --> 01:31:28,480
But that's who I am.

2269
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:32,170
One thing I did wrong in my life
was I tried for so many years

2270
01:31:32,170 --> 01:31:35,130
to please people.

2271
01:31:35,130 --> 01:31:40,280
And I did it at the
expense of myself.

2272
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,780
I was leaving a lot in the tank.

2273
01:31:42,780 --> 01:31:45,870
And when you do that,
you stop living.

2274
01:31:45,870 --> 01:31:48,900
But the person in your
life is happy as fuck

2275
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:50,970
because you're giving
them everything they want.

2276
01:31:50,970 --> 01:31:53,400
They have their--
their life is full.

2277
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,500
But you feel empty.

2278
01:31:55,500 --> 01:31:58,110
And that's not a
relationship to me.

2279
01:31:58,110 --> 01:32:00,922
So for me, it's
important that you

2280
01:32:00,922 --> 01:32:05,130
know exactly who I am because
this is what life made.

2281
01:32:05,130 --> 01:32:10,130
And I'm not trying to change it
because I just figured it out.

2282
01:32:10,130 --> 01:32:13,870
So I'm not trying to
compromise David Goggins.

2283
01:32:13,870 --> 01:32:17,600
I would never, ever
compromise David Goggins.

2284
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,600
That doesn't mean I won't
give you what you need

2285
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,310
and what you want
and what you desire.

2286
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:23,710
But I don't need money.

2287
01:32:23,710 --> 01:32:24,760
I don't need fame.

2288
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:25,990
I don't need shit.

2289
01:32:25,990 --> 01:32:28,620
So I give it all away.

2290
01:32:28,620 --> 01:32:33,200
What I do need is to make sure
that that willpower is worked

2291
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,800
on every fucking day and every
night for the rest of my life

2292
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,345
because that's the
one thing that's

2293
01:32:38,345 --> 01:32:41,990
going to keep me feeding you,
keeping you where you need

2294
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:44,570
to be, because once
that willpower is gone,

2295
01:32:44,570 --> 01:32:47,790
300-pound David Goggins,
he may not look like it,

2296
01:32:47,790 --> 01:32:51,270
but I will walk around with it.

2297
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:53,360
So the things that are
important to you in life,

2298
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,610
you must do always.

2299
01:32:55,610 --> 01:32:57,170
Or you're nobody.

2300
01:32:57,170 --> 01:33:00,250
And that's how I
handle relationships.

2301
01:33:00,250 --> 01:33:01,500
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Amen to that.

2302
01:33:01,500 --> 01:33:03,840
Something I could
personally work on

2303
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,030
is that upfront,
clear communication

2304
01:33:06,030 --> 01:33:09,240
because it resonates that
feeling of there's something

2305
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:13,080
inside that's not getting worked
out that, when I'm on my own,

2306
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:14,700
it's a lot easier.

2307
01:33:14,700 --> 01:33:17,190
But then, of course, wanting
relationships and family,

2308
01:33:17,190 --> 01:33:19,330
I think that's a healthy
part of being human too.

2309
01:33:19,330 --> 01:33:20,830
And obviously,
you've worked it out.

2310
01:33:20,830 --> 01:33:22,440
So I appreciate
you sharing that.

2311
01:33:22,440 --> 01:33:23,815
I don't think I've
ever heard you

2312
01:33:23,815 --> 01:33:25,230
talk about it that way before.

2313
01:33:25,230 --> 01:33:27,438
DAVID GOGGINS: People are
scared of that conversation

2314
01:33:27,438 --> 01:33:30,990
with their wife, husband,
girlfriend, boyfriend.

2315
01:33:30,990 --> 01:33:33,202
But why are you scared of it?

2316
01:33:33,202 --> 01:33:36,490
Why are you scared to tell
a motherfucker, your wife,

2317
01:33:36,490 --> 01:33:42,270
your husband, who you are, who
you are, exactly who you are?

2318
01:33:42,270 --> 01:33:44,430
And that was the problem
I had-- that's a problem

2319
01:33:44,430 --> 01:33:46,200
that a lot of us have in life.

2320
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,515
No one knows who you really are.

2321
01:33:49,515 --> 01:33:52,540
No one knew who I really was.

2322
01:33:52,540 --> 01:33:55,290
I went to a school where there
were a lot of Black kids.

2323
01:33:55,290 --> 01:33:58,300
A lot of Black kids didn't
want to be in special ops.

2324
01:33:58,300 --> 01:34:01,840
I never talked about
special ops to Black kids.

2325
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:03,010
Why?

2326
01:34:03,010 --> 01:34:04,780
I was wondering what--

2327
01:34:04,780 --> 01:34:07,130
I'm not going to fit in.

2328
01:34:07,130 --> 01:34:08,412
That's not what they do.

2329
01:34:08,412 --> 01:34:10,370
A lot of Black kids don't
do that kind of shit.

2330
01:34:10,370 --> 01:34:13,220
So whatever I wanted
to do, no one really

2331
01:34:13,220 --> 01:34:16,490
knew the real me growing up
because I never wanted anybody

2332
01:34:16,490 --> 01:34:17,990
to know the real me.

2333
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:19,790
I was always afraid
of what you might say

2334
01:34:19,790 --> 01:34:21,770
or how you're going
to feel or whatever.

2335
01:34:21,770 --> 01:34:24,270
You got feelings.

2336
01:34:24,270 --> 01:34:26,750
You have a life that
you have to live.

2337
01:34:26,750 --> 01:34:29,720
So it's important that
whatever's on your mind,

2338
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:30,890
you let that person know.

2339
01:34:30,890 --> 01:34:32,557
Therefore, you're
giving them the option

2340
01:34:32,557 --> 01:34:34,660
to be with you or not.

2341
01:34:34,660 --> 01:34:36,005
This is who I am.

2342
01:34:36,005 --> 01:34:37,630
If you don't like
it, that's good, man.

2343
01:34:37,630 --> 01:34:38,590
I got it.

2344
01:34:38,590 --> 01:34:40,750
But this is David Goggins.

2345
01:34:40,750 --> 01:34:43,390
So that honest conversation
is very important, man,

2346
01:34:43,390 --> 01:34:45,940
so everybody knows
where they stand.

2347
01:34:45,940 --> 01:34:48,100
That person may not be for you.

2348
01:34:48,100 --> 01:34:49,155
And that's all good.

2349
01:34:49,155 --> 01:34:50,530
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
This world could

2350
01:34:50,530 --> 01:34:53,890
use a lot more of that upfront,
completely honest conversation.

2351
01:34:53,890 --> 01:34:56,680
I feel like so much of
the world's problems

2352
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:59,290
are because everyone's
dancing around these issues.

2353
01:34:59,290 --> 01:34:59,920
DAVID GOGGINS: It takes a lot.

2354
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:00,820
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
Recently in the news,

2355
01:35:00,820 --> 01:35:02,200
seeing people losing
their job because they

2356
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:03,340
won't say something publicly.

2357
01:35:03,340 --> 01:35:04,757
You can tell they
kind of what it.

2358
01:35:04,757 --> 01:35:07,750
It's like, people just,
I think, deep down really

2359
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:08,958
crave the direct message.

2360
01:35:08,958 --> 01:35:10,000
Like, what are you about?

2361
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:10,958
What are you not about?

2362
01:35:10,958 --> 01:35:14,440
But I think now, everyone's
afraid of getting canceled.

2363
01:35:14,440 --> 01:35:17,360
It's a big deal, getting
canceled, that people think,

2364
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:19,300
oh, I can't work
if I am who I am.

2365
01:35:19,300 --> 01:35:23,860
Or if I'm not pretending
to be somebody else,

2366
01:35:23,860 --> 01:35:28,390
then silence is
considered agreement.

2367
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:30,880
There's all sorts of
complicated stuff.

2368
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,400
And I do feel for the
generation coming up

2369
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:36,675
because we didn't have
social media and all of that.

2370
01:35:36,675 --> 01:35:38,050
Again, just walled
off from that.

2371
01:35:38,050 --> 01:35:40,990
There's a real benefit from
just not paying attention.

2372
01:35:40,990 --> 01:35:42,550
DAVID GOGGINS:
People love to lie.

2373
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:43,690
People love to lie.

2374
01:35:43,690 --> 01:35:45,640
You know, I thought
I was only a person--

2375
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:47,057
when I was growing
up, I thought I

2376
01:35:47,057 --> 01:35:49,920
was the only person that lied
because I lived in a bubble.

2377
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,160
And people love to lie
about who they're not.

2378
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,710
They love to lie about
who they're not, dude.

2379
01:35:55,710 --> 01:36:00,840
And that's, for me, the
reason why I'm so vulnerable,

2380
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:04,910
and I'm so real and honest.

2381
01:36:04,910 --> 01:36:06,500
Find somebody to
come out and tell me

2382
01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:08,030
I'm lying about my fucking life.

2383
01:36:08,030 --> 01:36:10,550
And for me to come
where I came from

2384
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:12,670
and have the resume
I have now, you

2385
01:36:12,670 --> 01:36:14,750
know the confidence you get?

2386
01:36:14,750 --> 01:36:17,155
How I don't care who--
you're going to-- you're

2387
01:36:17,155 --> 01:36:18,168
going to judge me?

2388
01:36:18,168 --> 01:36:19,210
You're going to judge me?

2389
01:36:19,210 --> 01:36:20,570
What have you done in your life?

2390
01:36:20,570 --> 01:36:25,540
So me, being so honest and
so upfront and so truthful,

2391
01:36:25,540 --> 01:36:30,650
that came with me finally
figuring out who I was,

2392
01:36:30,650 --> 01:36:34,730
but also conquering David
Goggins, the demons of David

2393
01:36:34,730 --> 01:36:35,390
Goggins.

2394
01:36:35,390 --> 01:36:37,468
Therefore, now, you're
just an open book.

2395
01:36:37,468 --> 01:36:39,510
You look at somebody, look
them right in the eye.

2396
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:41,052
Tell me exactly who
the fuck you are.

2397
01:36:41,052 --> 01:36:42,270
You walk away.

2398
01:36:42,270 --> 01:36:45,690
I'm good, bro, because I know
exactly what this journey took

2399
01:36:45,690 --> 01:36:46,410
to get here.

2400
01:36:46,410 --> 01:36:49,650
And that gives you a fire
and a passion that people

2401
01:36:49,650 --> 01:36:51,420
can call you nigger,
they can call you--

2402
01:36:51,420 --> 01:36:54,015
if you're a lesbian or
gay or bise-- call me

2403
01:36:54,015 --> 01:36:55,230
whatever the fuck you want.

2404
01:36:55,230 --> 01:36:59,010
If you put yourself in
the fire and you come out

2405
01:36:59,010 --> 01:37:01,710
every fucking day like this,
brush it off, not scared

2406
01:37:01,710 --> 01:37:04,470
to go back in there
again, come on, man.

2407
01:37:04,470 --> 01:37:06,150
Your truth is real.

2408
01:37:06,150 --> 01:37:08,550
You come out every
day, man, with a way

2409
01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:11,460
of talking to people that people
don't have because there's

2410
01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:13,180
no truth behind them.

2411
01:37:13,180 --> 01:37:14,790
And the truth is
the starting line.

2412
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:16,957
When you sit down the ugly
mirror and say, I'm this,

2413
01:37:16,957 --> 01:37:19,950
I'm this, I'm this and this,
you finally started your life.

2414
01:37:19,950 --> 01:37:22,300
Maybe 40 years old.

2415
01:37:22,300 --> 01:37:25,030
Maybe 40 years old,
five, six kids, wife.

2416
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:28,810
But the second you look in that
mirror and you say, I'm this,

2417
01:37:28,810 --> 01:37:31,840
I'm this, I'm this, I'm this,
I'm this, well, basically,

2418
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,460
I'm not this, I'm not this,
I'm not this, I can't do this,

2419
01:37:34,460 --> 01:37:37,510
I can't do this, I'm
all these insecurities,

2420
01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:39,280
your life finally started.

2421
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,350
And once you start that
life, man, the truth

2422
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:43,883
comes out big time because
you no longer care.

2423
01:37:43,883 --> 01:37:44,800
So that's the problem.

2424
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,400
Most people just don't want
to have that conversation

2425
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,900
to the point where they can go
on stage and a million people

2426
01:37:49,900 --> 01:37:54,150
and say, I'm all of this.

2427
01:37:54,150 --> 01:37:56,340
And have a good day.

2428
01:37:56,340 --> 01:37:57,920
See you.

2429
01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,570
It's empowering.

2430
01:37:59,570 --> 01:38:00,770
It's very empowering.

2431
01:38:00,770 --> 01:38:04,070
ANDREW HUBERMAN: I feel like the
way we're educated in school,

2432
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:07,130
but also outside of school, is
we're trained, as human being,

2433
01:38:07,130 --> 01:38:09,140
as these young brains,
to try and figure out

2434
01:38:09,140 --> 01:38:11,420
how to get positive
feedback from other people.

2435
01:38:11,420 --> 01:38:14,450
It's like we're little dogs.

2436
01:38:14,450 --> 01:38:15,450
You have a bulldog.

2437
01:38:15,450 --> 01:38:15,770
DAVID GOGGINS: That's right.

2438
01:38:15,770 --> 01:38:17,145
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
I had a bulldog.

2439
01:38:17,145 --> 01:38:18,680
Saw the picture of your bulldog.

2440
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:19,520
She's great.

2441
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:20,240
DAVID GOGGINS: Charlie dog.

2442
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:21,590
ANDREW HUBERMAN: They're
an amazing species.

2443
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:22,590
DAVID GOGGINS: They are.

2444
01:38:22,590 --> 01:38:25,220
ANDREW HUBERMAN: I think
of them economy of effort

2445
01:38:25,220 --> 01:38:26,518
or amazing breed, excuse me.

2446
01:38:26,518 --> 01:38:27,560
They're an amazing breed.

2447
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:28,460
Economy of effort.

2448
01:38:28,460 --> 01:38:31,190
They don't do anything
unless it's necessary.

2449
01:38:31,190 --> 01:38:33,808
It's the exact opposite of
everything we're talking about.

2450
01:38:33,808 --> 01:38:34,850
It's kind of interesting.

2451
01:38:34,850 --> 01:38:36,440
And they're kind of hedonists.

2452
01:38:36,440 --> 01:38:39,340
Now, it is true that
they'll die to protect you.

2453
01:38:39,340 --> 01:38:40,340
DAVID GOGGINS: Oh, yeah.

2454
01:38:40,340 --> 01:38:41,570
ANDREW HUBERMAN: And
it's an instinct.

2455
01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:42,590
I saw that with Costello.

2456
01:38:42,590 --> 01:38:43,160
I'm sure that--

2457
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:43,850
DAVID GOGGINS: I
saw it with Charlie.

2458
01:38:43,850 --> 01:38:44,220
Yeah.

2459
01:38:44,220 --> 01:38:45,637
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
It's an instinct.

2460
01:38:45,637 --> 01:38:48,530
But if they're not
in that position,

2461
01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:50,390
if there's no need
to exert effort--

2462
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:50,990
DAVID GOGGINS: They're resting.

2463
01:38:50,990 --> 01:38:51,907
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Yeah.

2464
01:38:51,907 --> 01:38:53,408
So your bulldog's
resting for you.

2465
01:38:53,408 --> 01:38:54,200
DAVID GOGGINS: Yes.

2466
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:54,680
Got it.

2467
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:55,280
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Exactly.

2468
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:56,870
So you don't need
to rest because--

2469
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:58,350
DAVID GOGGINS: Active
recovery Charlie.

2470
01:38:58,350 --> 01:38:58,890
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Perfect.

2471
01:38:58,890 --> 01:38:59,250
DAVID GOGGINS: That's it.

2472
01:38:59,250 --> 01:38:59,790
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Perfect.

2473
01:38:59,790 --> 01:39:01,420
That's going to be your
answer from now on.

2474
01:39:01,420 --> 01:39:02,190
People go, does he sleep?

2475
01:39:02,190 --> 01:39:02,620
Does he rest?

2476
01:39:02,620 --> 01:39:02,970
Go, no.

2477
01:39:02,970 --> 01:39:05,303
He somehow worked it out so
his bulldog does it for him.

2478
01:39:05,303 --> 01:39:06,973
DAVID GOGGINS: Right.

2479
01:39:06,973 --> 01:39:08,390
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
But we're sort of

2480
01:39:08,390 --> 01:39:10,610
indoctrinated into
this way of being

2481
01:39:10,610 --> 01:39:13,730
from a time that we're
young, where, of course,

2482
01:39:13,730 --> 01:39:15,080
praise feels good.

2483
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:19,130
Someone tells you, hey, I like
that shirt, or good job today,

2484
01:39:19,130 --> 01:39:20,060
or nicely done.

2485
01:39:20,060 --> 01:39:24,320
Or for me, because growing up
in a big pack of friends growing

2486
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,170
up, and I was never the greatest
athlete, wasn't terrible,

2487
01:39:27,170 --> 01:39:30,140
wasn't great, et cetera, like,
a fist bump, or, like, feeling

2488
01:39:30,140 --> 01:39:30,920
crewed up.

2489
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:32,390
And you're just like, yeah.

2490
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:34,910
But you've talked about
this before in reference

2491
01:39:34,910 --> 01:39:36,050
to the SEAL Teams.

2492
01:39:36,050 --> 01:39:38,008
We both know a lot of
people in that community.

2493
01:39:38,008 --> 01:39:40,880
And the Teams component is a big
part of it for a lot of people.

2494
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,130
And it's a wonderful thing.

2495
01:39:43,130 --> 01:39:47,850
But there's a danger
to that dopamine hit,

2496
01:39:47,850 --> 01:39:49,440
for lack of a better
way to put it,

2497
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:55,050
from we can only derive when
it's coming from the outside.

2498
01:39:55,050 --> 01:39:59,190
You're talking about being
able to either say, good job,

2499
01:39:59,190 --> 01:40:03,945
but also, just look to one's
own personal history and say,

2500
01:40:03,945 --> 01:40:05,040
I've done hard things.

2501
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:08,160
And I can do it again and again
because I do it again and again

2502
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:08,670
and again.

2503
01:40:08,670 --> 01:40:15,350
You're talking about parenting
yourself, inspiring yourself,

2504
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:18,800
scaring yourself, all
of that from the inside.

2505
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,020
So very different
than the way we're

2506
01:40:21,020 --> 01:40:23,538
raised, which is to figure
out how to get the biscuit.

2507
01:40:23,538 --> 01:40:24,830
DAVID GOGGINS: It's funny, man.

2508
01:40:24,830 --> 01:40:29,170
People want to know how
I'm always motivated.

2509
01:40:29,170 --> 01:40:32,140
It's the unseen work, which you
just said is a true statement.

2510
01:40:32,140 --> 01:40:34,870
Those are false dopamine
hits that people

2511
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:36,580
are giving you, man.

2512
01:40:36,580 --> 01:40:38,290
There's no belief in that.

2513
01:40:38,290 --> 01:40:41,717
These are teamwork
dopamine-- like, I'm out

2514
01:40:41,717 --> 01:40:43,300
running at 2 o'clock
in the morning, 1

2515
01:40:43,300 --> 01:40:48,880
o'clock in the morning in the
gym, long sessions by myself.

2516
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,620
That's real.

2517
01:40:50,620 --> 01:40:54,220
I'm able to extract dopamine,
the good dopamine whenever

2518
01:40:54,220 --> 01:40:55,090
I want.

2519
01:40:55,090 --> 01:41:01,180
Man, I've trained
99% of my life alone.

2520
01:41:01,180 --> 01:41:03,080
No one patted me on the back.

2521
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:07,080
I did all of the work alone.

2522
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:11,850
And while I'm still hard on
myself, I know what I did.

2523
01:41:11,850 --> 01:41:13,470
So whenever times
get bad for me,

2524
01:41:13,470 --> 01:41:16,425
people are all this, who's going
to carry the boats and lo--

2525
01:41:16,425 --> 01:41:17,640
that's real.

2526
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,340
I hate that people
know me for that guy

2527
01:41:20,340 --> 01:41:23,550
because that guy is
not every fucking day.

2528
01:41:23,550 --> 01:41:26,090
When they see me,
they want that energy.

2529
01:41:26,090 --> 01:41:27,950
That's not me every day.

2530
01:41:27,950 --> 01:41:30,230
I can extract it
immediately when I need to

2531
01:41:30,230 --> 01:41:32,510
because when you train alone--

2532
01:41:32,510 --> 01:41:35,720
and I lived alone for so
many years in this misery.

2533
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:38,120
And you're able to
get out by yourself.

2534
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:42,920
I can take myself to such
a level of real passion

2535
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:43,700
and purpose.

2536
01:41:43,700 --> 01:41:46,990
And the feeling I
get is something

2537
01:41:46,990 --> 01:41:48,650
I can't even explain by mys--

2538
01:41:48,650 --> 01:41:50,740
I don't need anyone.

2539
01:41:50,740 --> 01:41:52,780
That's why people come
to me to motivate them.

2540
01:41:52,780 --> 01:41:55,520
No one can motivate me.

2541
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,660
I have a resume full
of fucking motivation

2542
01:41:58,660 --> 01:42:02,050
that whenever I'm down, I'm
like, oh hang on, motherfucker.

2543
01:42:02,050 --> 01:42:04,840
Oh, you know the truth.

2544
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:05,770
You know the truth.

2545
01:42:05,770 --> 01:42:07,960
You know the darkness
of the fucking dungeons

2546
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:09,820
and the fucking demons that fly.

2547
01:42:09,820 --> 01:42:12,310
And then from there,
it's like, OK.

2548
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:13,270
You were there.

2549
01:42:13,270 --> 01:42:14,020
You know this.

2550
01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:15,910
There was no one
there to pick up

2551
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:17,860
the rucksack, to pick
up the boat, to pick up

2552
01:42:17,860 --> 01:42:19,030
the log, to go in there.

2553
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:20,176
It was you.

2554
01:42:20,176 --> 01:42:20,800
It was you.

2555
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:25,180
There was no pat on the fucking
back at 300, at 275, at 250,

2556
01:42:25,180 --> 01:42:25,780
at 220.

2557
01:42:25,780 --> 01:42:26,590
No.

2558
01:42:26,590 --> 01:42:28,140
That was you.

2559
01:42:28,140 --> 01:42:30,340
So those things
that come out of me,

2560
01:42:30,340 --> 01:42:33,298
that extract from me
in the darkness, people

2561
01:42:33,298 --> 01:42:34,840
are looking for that
pat on the back.

2562
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:35,740
Where is it?

2563
01:42:35,740 --> 01:42:40,210
Oh, I don't need it
because what I've done

2564
01:42:40,210 --> 01:42:44,490
is in the fucking unseen work.

2565
01:42:44,490 --> 01:42:47,120
I built Frankenstein.

2566
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:50,480
So whenever shit gets
nasty, David Goggins

2567
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:53,478
goes, you had nobody
anyway, motherfucker.

2568
01:42:53,478 --> 01:42:55,270
So see how I'm talking
to myself right now?

2569
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:57,060
That's me.

2570
01:42:57,060 --> 01:42:59,100
That's shit fires
me the fuck up.

2571
01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:00,990
That shit makes me fucking nuts.

2572
01:43:00,990 --> 01:43:03,120
You had nobody
anyway, motherfucker.

2573
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:04,410
Look around you.

2574
01:43:04,410 --> 01:43:06,150
There was no fucking team.

2575
01:43:06,150 --> 01:43:07,490
It was you.

2576
01:43:07,490 --> 01:43:11,340
There was no weight loss program
or mom and dad waking you up,

2577
01:43:11,340 --> 01:43:14,640
saying you can do it, you can be
better, trying to build belief.

2578
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:17,790
You built belief
when you had nothing.

2579
01:43:17,790 --> 01:43:20,040
Rock bottom.

2580
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:20,910
You did that.

2581
01:43:20,910 --> 01:43:26,820
So as times get hard for
me, the truth comes out.

2582
01:43:26,820 --> 01:43:29,730
And my truth is
powerful as fuck.

2583
01:43:29,730 --> 01:43:31,150
It's real.

2584
01:43:31,150 --> 01:43:32,820
It's tangible.

2585
01:43:32,820 --> 01:43:33,720
I feel it.

2586
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:36,240
It comes out of my brain
as I speak about it.

2587
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:43,790
I'm reliving every single dark
moment of my life to be here.

2588
01:43:43,790 --> 01:43:46,720
So that is what
people don't get.

2589
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:50,260
That is what motivates David
Goggins is the unseen work.

2590
01:43:50,260 --> 01:43:53,200
But everybody needs
that pat on the back.

2591
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:54,790
They need that training partner.

2592
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:57,565
They need that
accountability coach.

2593
01:43:57,565 --> 01:43:58,600
I don't need that shit.

2594
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:00,070
And neither do they.

2595
01:44:00,070 --> 01:44:02,350
But it's what we've
trained ourselves

2596
01:44:02,350 --> 01:44:03,350
to believe that we need.

2597
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:05,058
ANDREW HUBERMAN: It's
almost like there's

2598
01:44:05,058 --> 01:44:06,430
this pill on the shelf.

2599
01:44:06,430 --> 01:44:08,560
I'm speaking in analogy.

2600
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,830
And we take it, and
we get jazzed up.

2601
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:13,240
And we're like, yeah.

2602
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:16,090
But there's this other
medicine cabinet behind there.

2603
01:44:16,090 --> 01:44:16,960
And it's in us.

2604
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:19,062
You're saying the real
medicine cabinet is inside.

2605
01:44:19,062 --> 01:44:20,020
DAVID GOGGINS: Oh, yes.

2606
01:44:20,020 --> 01:44:23,010
When you continue to overcome--

2607
01:44:23,010 --> 01:44:25,740
and I had so many
obstacles to overcome.

2608
01:44:25,740 --> 01:44:27,350
So it's actually
a benefit to me.

2609
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:29,750
But the benefit, it's not
like a benefit like that.

2610
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:32,810
You have to have the
courage and the patience

2611
01:44:32,810 --> 01:44:34,520
to overcome and overcome.

2612
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:38,200
Before you know it, man, you
have a whole medicine cabinet.

2613
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:40,380
But there's no medicine
in the motherfucker.

2614
01:44:40,380 --> 01:44:42,300
There's no pre-workout.

2615
01:44:42,300 --> 01:44:44,520
I don't take none of that shit.

2616
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:48,900
All I got to do
is flip my brain.

2617
01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:51,540
Put my finger in there and
say, OK, that's a good one.

2618
01:44:51,540 --> 01:44:52,800
It's all I got to do, man.

2619
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:53,820
I got the Rolodex.

2620
01:44:53,820 --> 01:44:55,650
I'm just like, go fuck
yourself, Goggins.

2621
01:44:55,650 --> 01:44:58,350
And oh, but you won.

2622
01:44:58,350 --> 01:44:59,670
Let's do that one today.

2623
01:44:59,670 --> 01:45:02,200
There's nothing I need.

2624
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:03,780
And this is the
thing that people

2625
01:45:03,780 --> 01:45:05,730
don't get about David Goggins.

2626
01:45:05,730 --> 01:45:10,350
I can't teach it in
a 1-minute video.

2627
01:45:10,350 --> 01:45:15,420
We all have this ability to
have our own medicine cabinet.

2628
01:45:15,420 --> 01:45:21,708
But unless you go in there
and put the medicine in there,

2629
01:45:21,708 --> 01:45:23,500
it's always going to
be fucking empty, man.

2630
01:45:23,500 --> 01:45:25,330
You're always going to
need the pre-workout.

2631
01:45:25,330 --> 01:45:26,140
You're always
going to need the--

2632
01:45:26,140 --> 01:45:27,400
I don't drink coffee.

2633
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:28,030
I don't do ca--

2634
01:45:28,030 --> 01:45:28,900
I don't do none of that.

2635
01:45:28,900 --> 01:45:29,567
I don't need it.

2636
01:45:29,567 --> 01:45:35,930
I can run for 70 hours, and
I have before, no caffeine.

2637
01:45:35,930 --> 01:45:40,660
I got all this wonderful shit
that I overcame on my own,

2638
01:45:40,660 --> 01:45:44,350
by myself, in the darkness,
that, man, when it's cold,

2639
01:45:44,350 --> 01:45:46,750
I'm hot.

2640
01:45:46,750 --> 01:45:48,415
When it's hot--

2641
01:45:48,415 --> 01:45:52,000
I can feed myself all the time.

2642
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,040
That's why when people
say, man, why aren't you

2643
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:58,880
missing anything, I can't
explain it to you, man.

2644
01:45:58,880 --> 01:45:59,880
Can't explain it to you.

2645
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:01,480
You'll never understand.

2646
01:46:01,480 --> 01:46:04,740
That's why I don't do
all these podcasts, dude.

2647
01:46:04,740 --> 01:46:05,940
I love you, man.

2648
01:46:05,940 --> 01:46:09,900
That's why you-- my first
book, you did a blurb for me.

2649
01:46:09,900 --> 01:46:10,862
That's why I'm here.

2650
01:46:10,862 --> 01:46:12,570
I love what you're
doing for people, man.

2651
01:46:12,570 --> 01:46:15,090
But I can't explain this.

2652
01:46:15,090 --> 01:46:15,960
I can't.

2653
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,587
I can't explain this because
people don't want to do this.

2654
01:46:18,587 --> 01:46:19,920
They don't want to do this, man.

2655
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:22,290
But I don't know, man.

2656
01:46:22,290 --> 01:46:23,940
I get jazzed up even
talking about it,

2657
01:46:23,940 --> 01:46:27,630
man, because so many people
think my life is just so, oh

2658
01:46:27,630 --> 01:46:29,400
god, his life is horrible.

2659
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:30,240
Don't follow him.

2660
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:30,900
He's crazy.

2661
01:46:30,900 --> 01:46:31,828
Really?

2662
01:46:31,828 --> 01:46:34,120
ANDREW HUBERMAN: But there
are a good number of people,

2663
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,430
I would say, and that's an
under-- that actually do.

2664
01:46:36,430 --> 01:46:40,240
I think what I'm hearing today,
and it's really sinking in, is

2665
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:43,870
that a great many people
either partially or completely

2666
01:46:43,870 --> 01:46:45,100
misunderstand you.

2667
01:46:45,100 --> 01:46:46,212
DAVID GOGGINS: Yes.

2668
01:46:46,212 --> 01:46:48,670
ANDREW HUBERMAN: I'll put myself
in the partially category.

2669
01:46:48,670 --> 01:46:49,030
DAVID GOGGINS: Big time.

2670
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:50,447
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
Because I thought

2671
01:46:50,447 --> 01:46:55,660
it was about just forward
center of mass, carrot, carrot,

2672
01:46:55,660 --> 01:46:57,470
carrot, carrot.

2673
01:46:57,470 --> 01:46:58,710
But it's the stick.

2674
01:46:58,710 --> 01:46:59,120
DAVID GOGGINS: It's the stick.

2675
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:00,110
ANDREW HUBERMAN: And
it's being haunted.

2676
01:47:00,110 --> 01:47:03,320
And you know, I do have examples
from my own life, which is not

2677
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:06,230
what today is about,
about being really afraid

2678
01:47:06,230 --> 01:47:08,180
and then turning things around.

2679
01:47:08,180 --> 01:47:10,910
My biggest fear is
getting comfortable.

2680
01:47:10,910 --> 01:47:14,840
I do not have as much of
a stick-oriented approach.

2681
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:18,230
But today's conversation's
changing the way I think.

2682
01:47:18,230 --> 01:47:19,730
I'm not going to
step away from this

2683
01:47:19,730 --> 01:47:22,100
and think, OK, there are
25 neural circuits that

2684
01:47:22,100 --> 01:47:24,710
can explain 10 of the things
that David's talking about.

2685
01:47:24,710 --> 01:47:27,050
And what I'm thinking
about is the fact

2686
01:47:27,050 --> 01:47:28,340
that everybody has a brain.

2687
01:47:28,340 --> 01:47:30,200
They have a mind.

2688
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:31,110
Forget the brain.

2689
01:47:31,110 --> 01:47:32,777
The brain's just the
physical structure.

2690
01:47:32,777 --> 01:47:37,630
But what that manifests, what
that creates is the mind.

2691
01:47:37,630 --> 01:47:39,560
And everybody has that.

2692
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:42,070
So I do believe that
everyone has the capacity

2693
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:46,530
to do what you're talking
about at some level.

2694
01:47:46,530 --> 01:47:49,160
I also will be the
first to confess

2695
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,920
that I think you
are highly unusual.

2696
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:56,510
Let's just say maybe even n
of 1, as we say in science.

2697
01:47:56,510 --> 01:47:59,520
Sample size of one.

2698
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:01,860
Somebody who has created
this process for themselves

2699
01:48:01,860 --> 01:48:03,720
and keeps them in
this-- themselves

2700
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,030
in this forward center
of mass with the stick

2701
01:48:06,030 --> 01:48:09,920
battering the back of
their head all the time.

2702
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,480
Highly unusual.

2703
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:14,270
But this internal
medicine cabinet

2704
01:48:14,270 --> 01:48:15,853
that you're talking
about building up,

2705
01:48:15,853 --> 01:48:18,800
true confidence, not needing
anything from the outside,

2706
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:23,030
I like to think that
people want that.

2707
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:24,950
They want to be known.

2708
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:26,750
They're afraid.

2709
01:48:26,750 --> 01:48:29,240
But that they want to be
known for who they really are

2710
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:31,820
and that you're describing
the path to do this.

2711
01:48:31,820 --> 01:48:34,220
And I will say I'm immensely
grateful that you're

2712
01:48:34,220 --> 01:48:36,367
talking to us this
way today about things

2713
01:48:36,367 --> 01:48:37,700
that you've talked about before.

2714
01:48:37,700 --> 01:48:40,040
But we're hitting it a little
differently, I like to think.

2715
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:41,373
DAVID GOGGINS: Very differently.

2716
01:48:41,373 --> 01:48:45,250
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Because
what you're talking about

2717
01:48:45,250 --> 01:48:46,030
is a process.

2718
01:48:46,030 --> 01:48:46,780
It's verbs.

2719
01:48:46,780 --> 01:48:47,920
It's all verbs.

2720
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:49,120
DAVID GOGGINS: All action.

2721
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:51,670
ANDREW HUBERMAN: And
it's not about success.

2722
01:48:51,670 --> 01:48:54,160
It's more, actually,
about keeping

2723
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:57,160
that friction dialed to 10.

2724
01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:59,540
And no energy drink,
no supplement.

2725
01:48:59,540 --> 01:49:00,790
People often misunderstand me.

2726
01:49:00,790 --> 01:49:03,190
They think-- like, I'm big
on people getting sunlight

2727
01:49:03,190 --> 01:49:04,780
in the morning so they
set their circadian rhythm

2728
01:49:04,780 --> 01:49:06,710
and get better sleep and
so they can-- et cetera.

2729
01:49:06,710 --> 01:49:08,668
But then people always
think-- they go straight

2730
01:49:08,668 --> 01:49:09,550
to the supplements.

2731
01:49:09,550 --> 01:49:10,510
What should I take?

2732
01:49:10,510 --> 01:49:11,470
And then, of
course, people think

2733
01:49:11,470 --> 01:49:12,370
I'm all about supplements.

2734
01:49:12,370 --> 01:49:14,020
And supplements are
one piece for me.

2735
01:49:14,020 --> 01:49:17,980
But it's like tiny fraction
compared to the doing,

2736
01:49:17,980 --> 01:49:18,940
the do's and don'ts.

2737
01:49:18,940 --> 01:49:19,360
DAVID GOGGINS:
That's why I didn't

2738
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:20,650
want to talk about that today.

2739
01:49:20,650 --> 01:49:22,525
That's why I'm glad
we're talking about this.

2740
01:49:22,525 --> 01:49:23,500
This is it.

2741
01:49:23,500 --> 01:49:24,220
This is it.

2742
01:49:24,220 --> 01:49:27,860
Like, the brain is the most
powerful weapon in the world.

2743
01:49:27,860 --> 01:49:33,880
And it's crazy how a kid
that wasn't real smart,

2744
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:37,810
I was forced to
go only internal.

2745
01:49:37,810 --> 01:49:39,430
External had to go away.

2746
01:49:39,430 --> 01:49:41,320
The external world
had to go away.

2747
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:46,390
In living so deep inside
myself, it was me in this brain

2748
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:48,910
and figuring out how
this thing works.

2749
01:49:48,910 --> 01:49:54,415
And so many people are doing
exactly that, the supplements,

2750
01:49:54,415 --> 01:49:55,450
the this, the that.

2751
01:49:55,450 --> 01:49:58,240
And I agree, it helps.

2752
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:03,250
But once you figure
out your brain,

2753
01:50:03,250 --> 01:50:07,600
you become unstoppable
to almost anything.

2754
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:09,220
Yeah, you can't beat death.

2755
01:50:09,220 --> 01:50:10,840
You can't whatever, whatever.

2756
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:12,340
Your brain is amazing.

2757
01:50:12,340 --> 01:50:17,680
Once you feed it the right
conversation, the right mental

2758
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:21,600
nutrients, the right
mental supplements,

2759
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:25,690
the right internal
dialogue at the right time

2760
01:50:25,690 --> 01:50:29,410
with the right hit, with the
right proof of what you've

2761
01:50:29,410 --> 01:50:32,110
done in the past, and
you send that right

2762
01:50:32,110 --> 01:50:36,260
to the right circuit, dude,
you're a fucking beast.

2763
01:50:36,260 --> 01:50:37,540
A beast.

2764
01:50:37,540 --> 01:50:43,320
But once again, you just
can't read about it.

2765
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:46,110
You can't sit back
and be a theorist.

2766
01:50:46,110 --> 01:50:49,050
You have to be a
fucking practitioner.

2767
01:50:49,050 --> 01:50:53,255
And in that practice is where
that becomes proof-positive

2768
01:50:53,255 --> 01:50:54,600
of what I'm saying.

2769
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:58,290
It's like, god, David
Goggins is blowing my mind.

2770
01:50:58,290 --> 01:50:59,340
What is this?

2771
01:50:59,340 --> 01:51:00,810
He's not crazy.

2772
01:51:00,810 --> 01:51:09,100
And so many people,
a lot of people,

2773
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:10,630
have listened to
me the right way.

2774
01:51:10,630 --> 01:51:14,790
And they come back, and they're
like, I'm totally on board.

2775
01:51:14,790 --> 01:51:16,050
It happened.

2776
01:51:16,050 --> 01:51:16,770
It happened.

2777
01:51:16,770 --> 01:51:20,370
I'm like, it'll keep going,
man, if you keep doing it.

2778
01:51:20,370 --> 01:51:21,750
But that is it, man.

2779
01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:24,040
There's no sun.

2780
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:25,300
There's no glory.

2781
01:51:25,300 --> 01:51:27,180
There's no carrot.

2782
01:51:27,180 --> 01:51:29,070
There's no victory.

2783
01:51:29,070 --> 01:51:30,898
But there is all of it in one.

2784
01:51:30,898 --> 01:51:32,940
I just can't explain it
real well to people, man.

2785
01:51:32,940 --> 01:51:36,030
But what you get the
other end is something

2786
01:51:36,030 --> 01:51:39,300
that you're always found.

2787
01:51:39,300 --> 01:51:41,280
You're never lost anymore.

2788
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,780
Doesn't mean the
journey is easy.

2789
01:51:43,780 --> 01:51:44,870
Doesn't get any easier.

2790
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:46,542
But you're always found.

2791
01:51:46,542 --> 01:51:47,750
ANDREW HUBERMAN: I love that.

2792
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:49,490
I just want to hover
on that for a sec

2793
01:51:49,490 --> 01:51:53,340
the same way we hovered
on haunted and the stick.

2794
01:51:53,340 --> 01:51:55,170
I think people feel lost.

2795
01:51:55,170 --> 01:51:59,940
I've certainly felt lost at
times in my life, many times.

2796
01:51:59,940 --> 01:52:01,943
And yeah, there's that thing.

2797
01:52:01,943 --> 01:52:04,110
I don't think there's a
neuroscience or a psychology

2798
01:52:04,110 --> 01:52:04,710
term for it.

2799
01:52:04,710 --> 01:52:06,930
Someone will put it in the
comments and say, oh yeah,

2800
01:52:06,930 --> 01:52:08,070
that's what so-and-so said.

2801
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:10,320
But like you said, we're not
trying to be theoretical here.

2802
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:11,528
We're trying to be practical.

2803
01:52:11,528 --> 01:52:16,660
The business of finding
yourself and knowing, oh.

2804
01:52:16,660 --> 01:52:20,320
But it's sort of like I'm
safe because I'm in danger,

2805
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:23,170
and I've been in danger
before, and I got myself out.

2806
01:52:23,170 --> 01:52:25,300
It always seems to
come back to verbs.

2807
01:52:25,300 --> 01:52:27,520
Again, I don't have
a language for this.

2808
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,560
For once, I'm lost for words.

2809
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:33,130
There's like-- it's about
a process, the algorithm.

2810
01:52:33,130 --> 01:52:36,892
And the reason-- here, I'm just
kind of trying to make sure

2811
01:52:36,892 --> 01:52:38,350
I'm understanding
things correctly.

2812
01:52:38,350 --> 01:52:40,308
One of the reasons why
it must be uncomfortable

2813
01:52:40,308 --> 01:52:42,850
for you to be who
you are publicly

2814
01:52:42,850 --> 01:52:46,360
is because people want to focus
on the running or the swearing.

2815
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:49,090
And by the way, the
swearing is welcome.

2816
01:52:49,090 --> 01:52:51,730
I'll tell you, I came
up through laboratories

2817
01:52:51,730 --> 01:52:56,930
where all three people I
worked for swore a lot.

2818
01:52:56,930 --> 01:52:58,280
But there was one rule.

2819
01:52:58,280 --> 01:52:59,970
I couldn't swear at people.

2820
01:52:59,970 --> 01:53:02,480
So my graduate advisor,
brilliant woman,

2821
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:05,905
unfortunately, she died
early, they all died early--

2822
01:53:05,905 --> 01:53:07,030
I'm the common denominator.

2823
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:08,950
I had that internalized
for a long time.

2824
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:12,280
Anyway, she said, but if you
swear at people, you're out.

2825
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:13,900
But you can swear
as much as you want.

2826
01:53:13,900 --> 01:53:15,700
So that's the rule I have.

2827
01:53:15,700 --> 01:53:16,840
It's like, you can swear
as much as you want.

2828
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:17,770
Just don't swear at people.

2829
01:53:17,770 --> 01:53:20,050
And if you swear at people,
better be ready to fight.

2830
01:53:20,050 --> 01:53:21,200
Definitely not
going to fight you.

2831
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:22,908
So you can swear at
me, get away with it.

2832
01:53:22,908 --> 01:53:25,240
But the fact of the
matter is that it must

2833
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:27,910
be frustrating that people--

2834
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:29,710
because I know
people go, oh, it's

2835
01:53:29,710 --> 01:53:31,210
all about supplements
and ice baths.

2836
01:53:31,210 --> 01:53:32,170
Listen, I like supplements.

2837
01:53:32,170 --> 01:53:33,460
I love supplements
and ice baths.

2838
01:53:33,460 --> 01:53:34,810
But that's not the full picture.

2839
01:53:34,810 --> 01:53:36,400
It's just a gravitational pull.

2840
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:37,300
It's the swearing.

2841
01:53:37,300 --> 01:53:38,350
It's the running.

2842
01:53:38,350 --> 01:53:40,450
It's his feet that
are all messed up.

2843
01:53:40,450 --> 01:53:42,970
It's the fact that
he got a Triton.

2844
01:53:42,970 --> 01:53:44,620
He's a SEAL guy.

2845
01:53:44,620 --> 01:53:46,900
Talk about that too.

2846
01:53:46,900 --> 01:53:49,990
And there's a gravitational
pull for people.

2847
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:53,063
And they're missing-- that's
the tip of the iceberg,

2848
01:53:53,063 --> 01:53:53,980
is what I'm realizing.

2849
01:53:53,980 --> 01:53:56,200
I'm realizing that
today thanks to the way

2850
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:58,570
you're phrasing things
because the bigger vessel

2851
01:53:58,570 --> 01:53:59,710
is all in here.

2852
01:53:59,710 --> 01:54:01,778
And as you said, how do
you put that in a book?

2853
01:54:01,778 --> 01:54:03,070
DAVID GOGGINS: It's impossible.

2854
01:54:03,070 --> 01:54:04,480
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Because
it's highly individual.

2855
01:54:04,480 --> 01:54:05,840
You do it your way.

2856
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:07,280
And you're saying,
everyone needs

2857
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,818
to go figure out how to
do it their way for them.

2858
01:54:09,818 --> 01:54:10,610
DAVID GOGGINS: Yes.

2859
01:54:10,610 --> 01:54:13,100
And the thing about
being misunderstood,

2860
01:54:13,100 --> 01:54:17,030
it's very frustrating, more
than I can even imagine.

2861
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:19,370
I can't even express
how frustrating

2862
01:54:19,370 --> 01:54:24,580
it is when the cussing
and everything comes

2863
01:54:24,580 --> 01:54:27,260
from a place of real.

2864
01:54:27,260 --> 01:54:31,210
I can't explain what
I do without it.

2865
01:54:31,210 --> 01:54:32,570
The passion comes out of me.

2866
01:54:32,570 --> 01:54:35,920
It's almost like speaking in
tongues because when you put

2867
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:37,900
that much work-- and
people go, oh yeah,

2868
01:54:37,900 --> 01:54:40,360
there's been this basketball
player, this football player,

2869
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:42,870
this--

2870
01:54:42,870 --> 01:54:44,300
dude.

2871
01:54:44,300 --> 01:54:45,410
No.

2872
01:54:45,410 --> 01:54:46,550
No.

2873
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:51,050
Everything, everything is work.

2874
01:54:51,050 --> 01:54:51,890
Everything.

2875
01:54:51,890 --> 01:54:53,630
And people don't believe it.

2876
01:54:53,630 --> 01:54:59,520
So when I speak, the
motherfucker and the fuck

2877
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:05,730
and the shit, that is
what it took for me,

2878
01:55:05,730 --> 01:55:15,010
what it takes for me, the anger,
the passion, the jaw-dropping--

2879
01:55:15,010 --> 01:55:20,760
just it takes that
because I'm not that.

2880
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:23,540
This is how I look at it, man.

2881
01:55:23,540 --> 01:55:25,070
What built this guy?

2882
01:55:25,070 --> 01:55:26,660
Let's imagine being
in the coldest

2883
01:55:26,660 --> 01:55:28,970
water you can possibly take.

2884
01:55:28,970 --> 01:55:30,770
I always go back to
Hell Week with this.

2885
01:55:30,770 --> 01:55:32,780
I hated that water.

2886
01:55:32,780 --> 01:55:34,155
Hated it.

2887
01:55:34,155 --> 01:55:36,530
You're sitting there locked
arms, and you're in the water

2888
01:55:36,530 --> 01:55:37,400
all the time.

2889
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:39,560
And they're bringing you
in and out of the water,

2890
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:42,380
in and out of the water.

2891
01:55:42,380 --> 01:55:44,690
When you have this
dialogue in your head,

2892
01:55:44,690 --> 01:55:49,400
and these people are judging me
off a freaking 1-minute video,

2893
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:51,410
and you're constantly
your whole life,

2894
01:55:51,410 --> 01:55:54,530
when you figured it out
at 24, that I got to--

2895
01:55:54,530 --> 01:55:57,000
I just got to, just
fucking got to,

2896
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:58,400
and this is just going to suck.

2897
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:00,440
Every day it's going to suck.

2898
01:56:00,440 --> 01:56:03,803
And live like that to be better.

2899
01:56:03,803 --> 01:56:04,720
And I put it this way.

2900
01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:05,470
I'm in the water.

2901
01:56:05,470 --> 01:56:07,720
The water is going over my
head, the Pacific Ocean.

2902
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:09,280
It's freezing.

2903
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:10,210
February.

2904
01:56:10,210 --> 01:56:11,195
Cold as shit.

2905
01:56:11,195 --> 01:56:12,445
Been through three Hell Weeks.

2907
01:56:15,060 --> 01:56:19,600
For you to constantly
win, win, win,

2908
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:22,240
when this voice over
here, the real you,

2909
01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:27,670
is saying get the fuck out
of here, go, you're nobody.

2910
01:56:27,670 --> 01:56:29,590
You've always been nobody.

2911
01:56:29,590 --> 01:56:31,870
And it's true.

2912
01:56:31,870 --> 01:56:33,590
People don't hear that.

2913
01:56:33,590 --> 01:56:34,550
That's a true voice.

2914
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:39,660
That's a real reality of
David Goggins at 24 years old.

2915
01:56:39,660 --> 01:56:41,250
It's not a false reality.

2916
01:56:41,250 --> 01:56:46,670
And then you had to create
another voice over here that

2917
01:56:46,670 --> 01:56:48,720
is saying, you're better
than that other voice.

2918
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:51,750
And you're in the
freezing cold water

2919
01:56:51,750 --> 01:56:56,940
that both voices don't
want to fucking be in.

2920
01:56:56,940 --> 01:56:59,500
But you win.

2921
01:56:59,500 --> 01:57:02,230
Then goes from the
water to the studying

2922
01:57:02,230 --> 01:57:04,180
to the running to
the losing weight

2923
01:57:04,180 --> 01:57:06,730
to how you eat to how
you function as a man.

2924
01:57:06,730 --> 01:57:10,770
Every day of your life,
you're winning these battles.

2925
01:57:10,770 --> 01:57:16,090
And then I have normal people
who only have one voice.

2926
01:57:16,090 --> 01:57:18,130
Never created the second voice.

2927
01:57:18,130 --> 01:57:19,900
The winning voice
is the second voice.

2928
01:57:19,900 --> 01:57:22,160
They have one voice.

2929
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:25,600
And that's just,
I'm a piece of shit.

2930
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:28,110
And that's all they hear.

2931
01:57:28,110 --> 01:57:31,610
And then they judge
people like me

2932
01:57:31,610 --> 01:57:35,320
who are out here
trying to be better.

2933
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:39,300
It's something that
I can never really--

2934
01:57:39,300 --> 01:57:43,250
it's a frustrating
thing for me because I

2935
01:57:43,250 --> 01:57:45,862
know the majority of people.

2936
01:57:45,862 --> 01:57:48,320
I know what goes on in the
brain because I studied the mind

2937
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:53,470
more than almost-- more than
you because I'm a practitioner.

2938
01:57:53,470 --> 01:57:56,310
So for you to be a piece of
shit and come out of that,

2939
01:57:56,310 --> 01:57:58,590
you don't just come out of it.

2940
01:57:58,590 --> 01:58:05,570
You spend decades studying
your mind and the human mind

2941
01:58:05,570 --> 01:58:09,530
on how it functions in good
environments, bad environments,

2942
01:58:09,530 --> 01:58:12,120
stressful environments,
patient environments.

2943
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,120
You study it all because
you had to put all this

2944
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:18,480
together to create the
mind to become successful.

2945
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:22,410
So I had to-- it wasn't like
God blessed me with this brain.

2946
01:58:22,410 --> 01:58:24,940
I had to create a mind.

2947
01:58:24,940 --> 01:58:26,370
And so in doing
so, I figured out

2948
01:58:26,370 --> 01:58:28,530
every piece of shit
human being in the world

2949
01:58:28,530 --> 01:58:32,630
because that's what I was
going off of for myself.

2950
01:58:32,630 --> 01:58:34,710
So I know why you
go on Instagram.

2951
01:58:34,710 --> 01:58:39,740
I know why you-- because
you just have the time.

2952
01:58:39,740 --> 01:58:42,410
You have the time
because you don't

2953
01:58:42,410 --> 01:58:46,570
want to put that time
into bettering oneself.

2954
01:58:46,570 --> 01:58:49,840
So I know why I'm misunderstood.

2955
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:53,170
I'm misunderstood by people
who have plenty of time

2956
01:58:53,170 --> 01:58:56,440
on their hands to misunderstand
me because they are exactly

2957
01:58:56,440 --> 01:59:01,495
where I once was, which is a
low-life, lazy piece of shit.

2958
01:59:01,495 --> 01:59:04,750
And it's the harsh reality
of people who troll you,

2959
01:59:04,750 --> 01:59:06,520
who go after you.

2960
01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:09,400
They have nothing better
to do with their lives.

2961
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:11,590
It's not some after
school special.

2962
01:59:11,590 --> 01:59:12,670
It's the truth.

2963
01:59:12,670 --> 01:59:15,948
But I once was that way.

2964
01:59:15,948 --> 01:59:17,240
I know where it all comes from.

2965
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:18,340
That's why it's
frustrating to me

2966
01:59:18,340 --> 01:59:20,470
now because I'm not so
frustrated at the fact

2967
01:59:20,470 --> 01:59:22,072
that I'm being trolled.

2968
01:59:22,072 --> 01:59:23,530
I'm frustrated by
the fact that you

2969
01:59:23,530 --> 01:59:26,460
don't have the
courage, the courage

2970
01:59:26,460 --> 01:59:29,670
to try to be somebody
better than what you're not.

2971
01:59:29,670 --> 01:59:31,865
And that's the frustrating part.

2972
01:59:31,865 --> 01:59:33,240
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
It's interesting

2973
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:36,420
because earlier, we were
talking about relationships.

2974
01:59:36,420 --> 01:59:39,450
And you said, in
a very candid way,

2975
01:59:39,450 --> 01:59:41,250
and I really appreciate
you sharing that,

2976
01:59:41,250 --> 01:59:42,917
that you make sure
that the people close

2977
01:59:42,917 --> 01:59:44,970
to you, your family,
has everything they need

2978
01:59:44,970 --> 01:59:46,678
and that they also
understand that you're

2979
01:59:46,678 --> 01:59:49,530
going to take what you need to
continue to build you period.

2980
01:59:49,530 --> 01:59:50,800
DAVID GOGGINS: Period.

2981
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:53,410
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
In some ways, it

2982
01:59:53,410 --> 01:59:57,880
seems you've also included the
general public in that family.

2983
01:59:57,880 --> 02:00:01,450
You're saying, listen, I'm
going to give you what you need.

2984
02:00:01,450 --> 02:00:03,510
I'm going to give you as
much of myself as I can,

2985
02:00:03,510 --> 02:00:06,300
except I'm going to
stop right at the line

2986
02:00:06,300 --> 02:00:08,940
that if I were to
cross it is going

2987
02:00:08,940 --> 02:00:11,610
to prevent me from
continuing to build myself.

2988
02:00:11,610 --> 02:00:13,500
And by the way,
this relationship

2989
02:00:13,500 --> 02:00:17,190
only exists because I
don't cross that line.

2990
02:00:17,190 --> 02:00:21,240
And I think as much as there
are detractors out there

2991
02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:23,250
or people that try--

2992
02:00:23,250 --> 02:00:26,400
I mean, whatever they're doing
is pretty feeble, in my mind.

2993
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:29,850
I mean, it's like cap
gun fire, it that.

2994
02:00:29,850 --> 02:00:32,480
DAVID GOGGINS: Very feeble.

2995
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:37,650
ANDREW HUBERMAN: So many of us,
men and women, old and young,

2996
02:00:37,650 --> 02:00:41,800
hear something and feel
something in your message.

2997
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:43,630
Like, yeah, it
seems kind of crazy.

2998
02:00:43,630 --> 02:00:44,650
Gosh.

2999
02:00:44,650 --> 02:00:46,150
Doesn't he ever just relax?

3000
02:00:46,150 --> 02:00:47,960
What about his sleep?

3001
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:48,865
Look at his feet.

3002
02:00:48,865 --> 02:00:50,740
He's going to-- he's
going to injure himself.

3003
02:00:50,740 --> 02:00:51,907
Listen, I'll be very direct.

3004
02:00:51,907 --> 02:00:54,410
I got friends who were in the
Teams who just go, what's he

3005
02:00:54,410 --> 02:00:55,660
going to do when he can't run?

3006
02:00:55,660 --> 02:00:57,313
And I know the answer
is keep running.

3007
02:00:57,313 --> 02:00:58,480
DAVID GOGGINS: That's right.

3008
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:00,230
ANDREW HUBERMAN: But
it's more comfortable

3009
02:01:00,230 --> 02:01:02,382
for people, even
high achievers--

3010
02:01:02,382 --> 02:01:04,090
DAVID GOGGINS: Especially
high achievers.

3011
02:01:04,090 --> 02:01:05,798
ANDREW HUBERMAN: --to
believe that if you

3012
02:01:05,798 --> 02:01:07,790
took one thing away, that
it would all go away.

3013
02:01:07,790 --> 02:01:10,040
It's absolutely clear that's
not the case with you.

3014
02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:12,190
I'm 100% convinced.

3015
02:01:12,190 --> 02:01:14,350
I just know that because
we're talking about this.

3016
02:01:14,350 --> 02:01:14,860
DAVID GOGGINS: Do you
know how many times

3017
02:01:14,860 --> 02:01:16,090
I haven't been able to run?

3018
02:01:16,090 --> 02:01:17,500
Two heart surgeries.

3019
02:01:17,500 --> 02:01:18,653
Multiple knee surgeries.

3020
02:01:18,653 --> 02:01:20,320
And after every knee
surgery, they said,

3021
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:22,270
you're not going to run again.

3022
02:01:22,270 --> 02:01:24,550
And I'm fine with that.

3023
02:01:24,550 --> 02:01:26,790
There's no running up here, bro.

3024
02:01:26,790 --> 02:01:27,510
None.

3025
02:01:27,510 --> 02:01:29,440
This was what it was all about.

3026
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:30,690
That's what they lost.

3027
02:01:30,690 --> 02:01:31,770
What if you can't run?

3028
02:01:31,770 --> 02:01:33,960
Give a fuck.

3029
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:35,700
It was never about running.

3030
02:01:35,700 --> 02:01:37,470
Why do you think I run?

3031
02:01:37,470 --> 02:01:39,645
It's the worst thing.

3032
02:01:39,645 --> 02:01:43,540
I hate doing it
more than anything.

3033
02:01:43,540 --> 02:01:44,373
Hence the willpower.

3034
02:01:44,373 --> 02:01:45,332
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Right.

3035
02:01:45,332 --> 02:01:46,990
Your anterior
mid-cingulate cortex

3036
02:01:46,990 --> 02:01:47,695
DAVID GOGGINS:
Hence the willpower.

3037
02:01:47,695 --> 02:01:49,403
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
--would start to regress

3038
02:01:49,403 --> 02:01:50,480
if you loved running.

3039
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:51,730
DAVID GOGGINS: Think about it.

3040
02:01:51,730 --> 02:01:53,390
Every day, I wake up.

3041
02:01:53,390 --> 02:01:56,290
I don't just run
a mile, two miles.

3042
02:01:56,290 --> 02:02:00,160
It's the one thing I
hate the most to do.

3043
02:02:00,160 --> 02:02:03,040
And I do it like I love it.

3044
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:08,080
250, 260, 300-mile
runs at one time.

3045
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:09,250
No sleep.

3046
02:02:09,250 --> 02:02:11,780
And every step, when I get
to the-- think about this.

3047
02:02:11,780 --> 02:02:16,630
I get to the fucking start
line cussing at Jennifer.

3048
02:02:16,630 --> 02:02:17,890
Why the fuck am I here?

3049
02:02:17,890 --> 02:02:21,150
I hate this shit.

3050
02:02:21,150 --> 02:02:24,390
After 70-some hours of
running, every fucking

3051
02:02:24,390 --> 02:02:27,400
question I ever had is answered.

3052
02:02:27,400 --> 02:02:29,170
Every question I
had is answered.

3053
02:02:29,170 --> 02:02:30,370
I capped success.

3055
02:02:33,020 --> 02:02:35,020
People go, what do you
mean, you capped success?

3057
02:02:37,670 --> 02:02:41,910
For me to be who I am--

3058
02:02:41,910 --> 02:02:47,290
so when I go smokejump, I smoke
jump three to four months out

3059
02:02:47,290 --> 02:02:48,580
of the year, sometimes five.

3060
02:02:48,580 --> 02:02:50,330
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Could
you, just for those

3061
02:02:50,330 --> 02:02:52,360
that aren't educated
about-- just

3062
02:02:52,360 --> 02:02:55,550
give us a brief description
of what smokejumping entails.

3063
02:02:55,550 --> 02:02:59,140
DAVID GOGGINS: So basically,
you jump into fires.

3064
02:02:59,140 --> 02:03:02,862
Not into them, but you jump by
fires that people can't get to.

3065
02:03:02,862 --> 02:03:04,945
ANDREW HUBERMAN: So out
of planes and helicopters.

3066
02:03:04,945 --> 02:03:06,445
DAVID GOGGINS:
Right, out of planes.

3067
02:03:06,445 --> 02:03:07,160
I parachute.

3068
02:03:07,160 --> 02:03:08,500
It's all parachuting.

3069
02:03:08,500 --> 02:03:10,090
So you parachute
out of airplanes.

3070
02:03:10,090 --> 02:03:13,540
And then you fight the fire, you
and sometimes four other guys

3071
02:03:13,540 --> 02:03:15,820
or maybe eight other
guys, guys and gals.

3072
02:03:15,820 --> 02:03:18,290
And you're putting
this fire out.

3073
02:03:18,290 --> 02:03:23,630
So I lose millions of dollars
every summer to do this.

3074
02:03:23,630 --> 02:03:24,680
It blows people's minds.

3075
02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:25,820
Why the hell are you doing this?

3076
02:03:25,820 --> 02:03:27,010
ANDREW HUBERMAN: And
you're breathing soot.

3077
02:03:27,010 --> 02:03:28,427
DAVID GOGGINS: I'm
breathing soot.

3078
02:03:28,427 --> 02:03:29,288
Knees are jacked up.

3079
02:03:29,288 --> 02:03:30,080
Hitting the ground.

3080
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:31,190
Hurting.

3081
02:03:31,190 --> 02:03:32,632
Whatever.

3082
02:03:32,632 --> 02:03:34,590
Talking to normal people,
they'll never get it,

3083
02:03:34,590 --> 02:03:37,180
so I don't even
explain it to them.

3084
02:03:37,180 --> 02:03:40,230
But this is why-- this is
why I call it capped success.

3085
02:03:40,230 --> 02:03:42,690
I'm talking financial success.

3086
02:03:42,690 --> 02:03:48,930
For me to continue having that
willpower, the second I just

3087
02:03:48,930 --> 02:03:52,290
become a speaking
monkey and travel around

3088
02:03:52,290 --> 02:03:54,630
and speaking gigs 12
months out of the year,

3089
02:03:54,630 --> 02:03:59,220
put camps on, do this, put on
lectures, get supplement lines

3090
02:03:59,220 --> 02:04:01,970
and do this and write
more books and shit,

3091
02:04:01,970 --> 02:04:08,690
I've ruined the exact thing
I worked on my entire life.

3092
02:04:08,690 --> 02:04:10,630
And while I didn't
know it until the day,

3093
02:04:10,630 --> 02:04:13,620
but something
always told me, this

3094
02:04:13,620 --> 02:04:17,940
is a very, very, very
perishable skill, this willpower

3095
02:04:17,940 --> 02:04:20,970
that you have, because I do have
a willpower that I have never

3096
02:04:20,970 --> 02:04:22,470
seen in anybody in my life.

3097
02:04:22,470 --> 02:04:25,540
It is a haunting force
that just keeps me going.

3098
02:04:25,540 --> 02:04:28,440
And I know that
that is my strength.

3099
02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:33,970
If you have that-- so that's
worth every dime I've ever

3100
02:04:33,970 --> 02:04:37,810
made in my life is the fact
I can look a man in the eye

3101
02:04:37,810 --> 02:04:39,750
finally and have a
real conversation

3102
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:42,210
without going like
this because I'm lying,

3103
02:04:42,210 --> 02:04:43,170
or I'm a piece of shit.

3104
02:04:43,170 --> 02:04:45,030
Or I know-- you
know how a person--

3105
02:04:45,030 --> 02:04:47,100
and so many people do this shit.

3106
02:04:47,100 --> 02:04:51,950
They're talking to you
on who they want to be.

3107
02:04:51,950 --> 02:04:54,290
They're lying to you.

3108
02:04:54,290 --> 02:04:55,220
And they walk away--

3109
02:04:55,220 --> 02:04:56,345
I've done it so many times.

3110
02:04:56,345 --> 02:04:57,620
You walk away like, god, man.

3111
02:04:57,620 --> 02:04:59,540
If I could just
tell them the truth.

3112
02:04:59,540 --> 02:05:03,515
Why the hell can't I
just tell him the truth?

3113
02:05:03,515 --> 02:05:04,890
Know how good it
feels for me now

3114
02:05:04,890 --> 02:05:08,220
to look at you in
your eye and every man

3115
02:05:08,220 --> 02:05:10,980
I see because women
won't get this.

3116
02:05:10,980 --> 02:05:13,080
Women will not get this.

3117
02:05:13,080 --> 02:05:15,900
Man to man, that
man shit, when you

3118
02:05:15,900 --> 02:05:17,700
look another man
in the eye, and you

3119
02:05:17,700 --> 02:05:19,860
know that everything you're
fucking saying is real,

3120
02:05:19,860 --> 02:05:22,890
and it comes from a real
working place, something

3121
02:05:22,890 --> 02:05:25,793
that you earned, it's the
best feeling in the world.

3122
02:05:25,793 --> 02:05:27,960
ANDREW HUBERMAN: You can
say that actually happened.

3123
02:05:27,960 --> 02:05:30,510
Like, I know with certainty what
I'm saying actually happened.

3124
02:05:30,510 --> 02:05:31,885
DAVID GOGGINS:
Actually happened.

3125
02:05:31,885 --> 02:05:34,950
Who I am and who
I say I am, I am.

3126
02:05:34,950 --> 02:05:36,510
No more lies.

3127
02:05:36,510 --> 02:05:38,290
No more skirting the truth.

3128
02:05:38,290 --> 02:05:39,630
No more bullshit.

3129
02:05:39,630 --> 02:05:43,750
And that is worth every dime
I've ever made in my life.

3130
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:47,220
And I swear to God on that.

3131
02:05:47,220 --> 02:05:51,570
Every dime I've ever made in
my life, building who I built,

3132
02:05:51,570 --> 02:05:54,450
so I capped success
because I know

3133
02:05:54,450 --> 02:05:58,380
that if I ever go 12
months out of the year

3134
02:05:58,380 --> 02:06:01,140
and don't put several--
every day, I'm going at it.

3135
02:06:01,140 --> 02:06:03,010
But several months
out of the year,

3136
02:06:03,010 --> 02:06:06,850
I go right back to
ground zero, which means

3137
02:06:06,850 --> 02:06:09,400
I'm just fucking David Goggins.

3138
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:10,510
No Goggins.

3139
02:06:10,510 --> 02:06:13,480
No carry boats,
fucking logs bullshit.

3140
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:17,960
It's just pick up that
fucking Pulaski and dig.

3141
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:20,000
Hey, get that fucking pump.

3142
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:21,710
Walk down a mile.

3143
02:06:21,710 --> 02:06:22,940
Put it in the fucking water.

3144
02:06:22,940 --> 02:06:25,640
Mosquitoes beating--
you're just David Goggins.

3145
02:06:25,640 --> 02:06:28,640
You're nobody because
that's where my growth is.

3146
02:06:28,640 --> 02:06:31,130
That's where my
willpower comes from.

3147
02:06:31,130 --> 02:06:32,540
And that's where it stays.

3148
02:06:32,540 --> 02:06:35,030
That's why when I talk to
you now-- and can't nobody

3149
02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:36,260
talk like this, dude.

3150
02:06:36,260 --> 02:06:38,052
People don't talk with
this kind of passion

3151
02:06:38,052 --> 02:06:39,071
because it ain't there.

3152
02:06:39,071 --> 02:06:40,410
It ain't there.

3153
02:06:40,410 --> 02:06:44,210
They're regurgitating some
shit from 30 fucking years ago.

3154
02:06:44,210 --> 02:06:47,620
I'm regurgitating
shit from an hour ago.

3155
02:06:47,620 --> 02:06:49,240
Hour ago.

3156
02:06:49,240 --> 02:06:49,840
Come on, man.

3157
02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:53,160
It's just be real.

3158
02:06:53,160 --> 02:06:55,250
And I can't be on
these podcasts.

3159
02:06:55,250 --> 02:06:57,800
I can't talk to anybody
without being real.

3160
02:06:57,800 --> 02:06:59,190
I'll go away.

3161
02:06:59,190 --> 02:07:02,060
I'll just go away
because I can't give you

3162
02:07:02,060 --> 02:07:05,380
what I want to give you.

3163
02:07:05,380 --> 02:07:07,180
ANDREW HUBERMAN: You
said perishable skill.

3164
02:07:07,180 --> 02:07:09,200
I think that's
another set of words

3165
02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:12,650
I want to highlight because
skill implies behavior.

3166
02:07:12,650 --> 02:07:14,710
And when we were just
talking a second ago

3167
02:07:14,710 --> 02:07:19,600
about the deep, true bedrock
sense of confidence that

3168
02:07:19,600 --> 02:07:21,160
comes from looking
someone in the eye

3169
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:23,560
and telling somebody
something that you absolutely

3170
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:25,780
know it's true
because it happened,

3171
02:07:25,780 --> 02:07:27,260
you're talking about actions.

3172
02:07:27,260 --> 02:07:29,140
Not talking about perceptions.

3173
02:07:29,140 --> 02:07:32,020
You're not talking about
what you believe happened.

3174
02:07:32,020 --> 02:07:33,693
You know it happened.

3175
02:07:33,693 --> 02:07:35,860
And there's something really
concrete about actions.

3176
02:07:35,860 --> 02:07:37,660
I mean, that's what's
so interesting is

3177
02:07:37,660 --> 02:07:38,930
we're talking about the mind.

3178
02:07:38,930 --> 02:07:42,730
But actions are the
manifestation of the mind.

3179
02:07:42,730 --> 02:07:47,230
And the stuff that just stays
in here, people die with that.

3180
02:07:47,230 --> 02:07:49,120
It doesn't go anywhere.

3181
02:07:49,120 --> 02:07:51,220
Long ago, somebody said--

3182
02:07:51,220 --> 02:07:52,620
I forget what the context was.

3183
02:07:52,620 --> 02:07:53,620
It was a neuroscientist.

3184
02:07:53,620 --> 02:07:57,620
He said, most emotions,
they're just emotions.

3185
02:07:57,620 --> 02:07:58,820
They're just in there.

3186
02:07:58,820 --> 02:08:00,510
You don't have to do
anything with them.

3187
02:08:00,510 --> 02:08:03,050
And I think certain emotions
you want to do something with.

3188
02:08:03,050 --> 02:08:04,350
But I think people forget this.

3189
02:08:04,350 --> 02:08:05,360
They feel miserable,
like they're

3190
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:07,485
going to dissolve into a
puddle of their own tears.

3191
02:08:07,485 --> 02:08:09,530
No one ever died
from an emotion.

3192
02:08:09,530 --> 02:08:13,260
But they feel-- they overwhelm
us as if it's a tidal wave.

3193
02:08:13,260 --> 02:08:15,110
It's going to pull us
under and drown us.

3194
02:08:15,110 --> 02:08:18,560
It's so interesting to me
because I think what people--

3195
02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:20,360
listen, you have a
gravitational pull.

3196
02:08:20,360 --> 02:08:22,560
People can feel the energy.

3197
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:26,690
I think, yes, you're
either completely badly

3198
02:08:26,690 --> 02:08:27,793
or partially understood.

3199
02:08:27,793 --> 02:08:29,210
There's only one
guy on the planet

3200
02:08:29,210 --> 02:08:30,630
that truly understands you.

3201
02:08:30,630 --> 02:08:32,130
I think there's one
woman, Jennifer,

3202
02:08:32,130 --> 02:08:34,595
who probably understands you
as much as anyone's going to.

3203
02:08:34,595 --> 02:08:36,470
And then the rest of us
are kind of grasping,

3204
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:38,240
trying to figure it out.

3205
02:08:38,240 --> 02:08:40,640
But you're saying, go inward.

3206
02:08:40,640 --> 02:08:43,760
So first, go inward.

3207
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:45,380
And then it's actions.

3208
02:08:45,380 --> 02:08:46,513
Inward and actions.

3209
02:08:46,513 --> 02:08:47,930
Now, the inward
piece is something

3210
02:08:47,930 --> 02:08:50,390
I'd like to just spend a little
bit of time on because there

3211
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:52,557
are a couple of characters
from history, people that

3212
02:08:52,557 --> 02:08:53,780
were in concentration camps.

3213
02:08:53,780 --> 02:08:55,010
Nelson Mandela.

3214
02:08:55,010 --> 02:08:57,420
I mean, I'm not sure he
had Instagram in there.

3215
02:08:57,420 --> 02:08:58,800
I'm pretty sure he didn't.

3216
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:01,030
And I don't think there
was anyone coaching him on,

3217
02:09:01,030 --> 02:09:02,700
hey, you're going
to get out someday.

3218
02:09:02,700 --> 02:09:05,400
And actually, you're going
to lead an entire country.

3219
02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:07,380
I'm pretty sure that's
not how it worked.

3220
02:09:07,380 --> 02:09:08,760
He had to find it here.

3221
02:09:08,760 --> 02:09:10,830
He had to find it
between his ears.

3222
02:09:10,830 --> 02:09:12,660
And there are other examples.

3223
02:09:12,660 --> 02:09:14,980
But that's an important one.

3224
02:09:14,980 --> 02:09:19,530
So the process of going
inward, does it, for you--

3225
02:09:19,530 --> 02:09:21,330
and here, I will
ask for suggestions

3226
02:09:21,330 --> 02:09:22,650
because I think people want--

3227
02:09:22,650 --> 02:09:27,940
there are those of us who
want to build this skill.

3228
02:09:27,940 --> 02:09:29,170
Wall yourself off.

3229
02:09:29,170 --> 02:09:34,920
Phone off for big portions
of the day, perhaps.

3230
02:09:34,920 --> 02:09:36,600
Texting off.

3231
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:40,300
The requests, the
this, the that.

3232
02:09:40,300 --> 02:09:42,503
Anyone that knows you
knows that-- we've

3233
02:09:42,503 --> 02:09:44,170
communicated a few
texts, but most of it

3234
02:09:44,170 --> 02:09:45,340
comes through a filter.

3235
02:09:45,340 --> 02:09:46,210
She's great.

3236
02:09:46,210 --> 02:09:47,920
She knows you.

3237
02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:49,600
And she knows how to
protect your time.

3238
02:09:49,600 --> 02:09:50,650
DAVID GOGGINS: And that
hurts people's feelings.

3239
02:09:50,650 --> 02:09:51,550
People get mad about that.

3240
02:09:51,550 --> 02:09:52,690
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
Hey, God bless--

3241
02:09:52,690 --> 02:09:53,690
God bless you, Jennifer.

3243
02:09:58,111 --> 02:10:01,240
Cutting oneself off,
when you're in there,

3244
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:02,778
you say it's just you.

3246
02:10:05,984 --> 02:10:10,230
And the voices that come
up are not pleasant.

3247
02:10:10,230 --> 02:10:14,960
And then at some point,
it converts to action.

3248
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:17,050
OK.

3249
02:10:17,050 --> 02:10:19,780
What is the process
of picking the action?

3250
02:10:19,780 --> 02:10:21,670
That's the piece that
I feel like there's,

3251
02:10:21,670 --> 02:10:25,390
like, a bridge to build here,
if you can, if you would.

3252
02:10:25,390 --> 02:10:27,640
DAVID GOGGINS: So the action
being, like, what's next?

3253
02:10:27,640 --> 02:10:29,057
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
Yeah, so when you

3254
02:10:29,057 --> 02:10:32,193
go to sleep at night,
when that happens,

3255
02:10:32,193 --> 02:10:34,110
you know what you're
going to do the next day?

3256
02:10:34,110 --> 02:10:34,950
It's pre-planned?

3257
02:10:34,950 --> 02:10:35,370
DAVID GOGGINS: Yes.

3258
02:10:35,370 --> 02:10:35,790
ANDREW HUBERMAN: OK.

3259
02:10:35,790 --> 02:10:36,660
DAVID GOGGINS: Yes.

3260
02:10:36,660 --> 02:10:37,830
It's always the same thing.

3261
02:10:37,830 --> 02:10:39,150
ANDREW HUBERMAN: You're
not building it on the fly.

3262
02:10:39,150 --> 02:10:39,900
DAVID GOGGINS: No.

3263
02:10:39,900 --> 02:10:41,550
Nothing's on the fly.

3264
02:10:41,550 --> 02:10:45,570
So how it works
internally for me is I'll

3265
02:10:45,570 --> 02:10:47,670
put it exactly how it is.

3266
02:10:47,670 --> 02:10:49,870
I'm an artist.

3267
02:10:49,870 --> 02:10:54,010
And every day, I'm
painting Mona Lisa.

3268
02:10:54,010 --> 02:10:55,060
Every day.

3269
02:10:55,060 --> 02:10:56,810
And but it's a different one.

3270
02:10:56,810 --> 02:10:58,132
It's not the same painting.

3271
02:10:58,132 --> 02:11:00,590
So every day I wake up, even
though I'll do the same thing,

3272
02:11:00,590 --> 02:11:02,583
it takes a different
way to get there.

3273
02:11:02,583 --> 02:11:04,750
So every day, in my mind,
I'm going through my mind.

3274
02:11:04,750 --> 02:11:11,490
I'm just like-- and a good
painter will not just paint.

3275
02:11:11,490 --> 02:11:12,990
He needs to create.

3276
02:11:12,990 --> 02:11:15,900
And you can't create with
phones and everything

3277
02:11:15,900 --> 02:11:16,780
going around you.

3278
02:11:16,780 --> 02:11:18,900
So you got to
block yourself off.

3279
02:11:18,900 --> 02:11:21,600
You only do two
podcasts in a year.

3280
02:11:21,600 --> 02:11:22,890
You block yourself off.

3281
02:11:22,890 --> 02:11:25,110
And you're painting
this thing inside.

3282
02:11:25,110 --> 02:11:27,540
And you're going through
all these different colors

3283
02:11:27,540 --> 02:11:29,350
of paint and everything else.

3284
02:11:29,350 --> 02:11:32,220
And you can only figure
out the right painting

3285
02:11:32,220 --> 02:11:35,020
if you spend the correct
amount of time in your brain.

3286
02:11:35,020 --> 02:11:37,170
So every single
day, I'm literally

3287
02:11:37,170 --> 02:11:39,600
going through my mind,
and I'm painting.

3288
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:42,330
I'm creating this masterpiece.

3289
02:11:42,330 --> 02:11:44,820
And the masterpiece
is always myself.

3290
02:11:44,820 --> 02:11:48,885
And but to do that, you
cannot have any distractions

3291
02:11:48,885 --> 02:11:51,510
because if you're talking to an
artist and he's trying to think

3292
02:11:51,510 --> 02:11:54,870
about the next
painting, he can't.

3293
02:11:54,870 --> 02:11:57,510
It's impossible to
listen to you and listen

3294
02:11:57,510 --> 02:12:01,220
to what your mind and body
are telling you we must do.

3295
02:12:01,220 --> 02:12:02,670
Because people
don't do enough of.

3296
02:12:02,670 --> 02:12:05,290
They don't do any of it.

3297
02:12:05,290 --> 02:12:06,410
They don't have passion.

3298
02:12:06,410 --> 02:12:08,350
They lack passion,
drive, determination

3299
02:12:08,350 --> 02:12:11,320
because you haven't
spent time with yourself.

3300
02:12:11,320 --> 02:12:14,520
Your mind will tell
you what is next.

3301
02:12:14,520 --> 02:12:18,300
But you haven't
spent the time to go,

3302
02:12:18,300 --> 02:12:23,210
all right, let me
just figure this out.

3303
02:12:23,210 --> 02:12:27,160
You're looking for let me Google
this, and let me Google that,

3304
02:12:27,160 --> 02:12:29,230
and let me-- you're not
going to find it there

3305
02:12:29,230 --> 02:12:35,800
because there's billions
of people in this world.

3306
02:12:35,800 --> 02:12:39,895
And they're all supposed
to be individuals.

3307
02:12:39,895 --> 02:12:42,880
But we have a pack mentality.

3308
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:44,900
That's why you're
so fucking lost.

3309
02:12:44,900 --> 02:12:48,200
Why am I so unique?

3310
02:12:48,200 --> 02:12:50,600
I'm being exactly what the
fuck I was supposed to be.

3311
02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:52,160
I ain't follow shit.

3312
02:12:52,160 --> 02:12:55,830
And when I did follow shit,
I was like everybody else.

3313
02:12:55,830 --> 02:12:59,720
The second I said, OK, man, hang
on, dude, you don't like this,

3314
02:12:59,720 --> 02:13:03,540
you don't like this, you
don't like this, who are you,

3315
02:13:03,540 --> 02:13:04,320
David Goggins?

3316
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:07,510
Who are you supposed to be?

3317
02:13:07,510 --> 02:13:10,830
Miraculously, all
these things just--

3318
02:13:10,830 --> 02:13:15,523
I couldn't even-- the list of
shit I had to do, just, wham.

3319
02:13:15,523 --> 02:13:16,190
It's like, fuck.

3320
02:13:16,190 --> 02:13:17,150
OK.

3321
02:13:17,150 --> 02:13:18,073
Wow.

3322
02:13:18,073 --> 02:13:19,990
Once you sit down with
yourself and say, OK, I

3323
02:13:19,990 --> 02:13:22,495
don't want to be like
Michael Jordan or Jim Brown--

3324
02:13:22,495 --> 02:13:23,870
they're both born
on my birthday.

3325
02:13:23,870 --> 02:13:24,900
So I looked at their birthday.

3326
02:13:24,900 --> 02:13:26,525
I said, oh, maybe I
can be one of the--

3327
02:13:26,525 --> 02:13:27,830
I can't.

3328
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:31,660
I'm going to be David
fucking Goggins.

3329
02:13:31,660 --> 02:13:34,730
And that looks like this.

3330
02:13:34,730 --> 02:13:36,010
It just came.

3331
02:13:36,010 --> 02:13:37,540
Everything flooded.

3332
02:13:37,540 --> 02:13:41,440
So every single day
of my life, there's

3333
02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:44,470
a different thing that
comes up that I have to do.

3334
02:13:44,470 --> 02:13:46,860
But no one knows what to do
because everybody else is

3335
02:13:46,860 --> 02:13:49,000
following steps.

3336
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:51,400
Like the Republican
and Democratic parties.

3337
02:13:51,400 --> 02:13:52,280
I'm not political--

3338
02:13:52,280 --> 02:13:53,530
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Neither am I.

3339
02:13:53,530 --> 02:13:55,930
DAVID GOGGINS: --at
all for this reason.

3340
02:13:55,930 --> 02:13:59,120
Republicans are going
to vote Republican.

3341
02:13:59,120 --> 02:14:02,410
Democrats are going
to vote Democrat.

3342
02:14:02,410 --> 02:14:05,430
You're not even a human
fucking being, bro.

3343
02:14:05,430 --> 02:14:09,190
No way all you fuckers agree
with all the same fucking shit.

3344
02:14:09,190 --> 02:14:10,720
And I know I don't.

3345
02:14:10,720 --> 02:14:14,110
So once you figure out
yourself and who you are,

3346
02:14:14,110 --> 02:14:16,270
all the answers come.

3347
02:14:16,270 --> 02:14:20,532
So every night, a different
painting is being painted.

3348
02:14:20,532 --> 02:14:22,240
And it's a beautiful
painting for myself.

3349
02:14:22,240 --> 02:14:23,010
I'm like, OK.

3350
02:14:23,010 --> 02:14:23,580
That's it.

3351
02:14:23,580 --> 02:14:26,340
It may look the same
to most motherfuckers.

3352
02:14:26,340 --> 02:14:29,720
But the end result is
very fucking different.

3353
02:14:29,720 --> 02:14:34,262
That's why my-- if you look
at what I've done in 49 years,

3354
02:14:34,262 --> 02:14:36,470
it's more than most people
will ever do in their life

3355
02:14:36,470 --> 02:14:39,650
because they were
a race car driver.

3356
02:14:39,650 --> 02:14:41,090
And that's what they did.

3357
02:14:41,090 --> 02:14:42,830
They drove a fucking car.

3358
02:14:42,830 --> 02:14:45,560
It's great.

3359
02:14:45,560 --> 02:14:49,070
I was all kind of shit
because that's exactly what

3360
02:14:49,070 --> 02:14:50,720
the painting was saying to do.

3361
02:14:50,720 --> 02:14:52,320
It's what the mind
was saying to do.

3362
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:54,350
Wasn't saying just drive a car,
so then that race car driver

3363
02:14:54,350 --> 02:14:55,683
didn't know what the fuck to do.

3364
02:14:55,683 --> 02:14:59,535
He retires from being a race
car driver, and they're lost.

3365
02:14:59,535 --> 02:15:01,690
People go, how are you still--

3366
02:15:01,690 --> 02:15:03,310
I don't get it.

3367
02:15:03,310 --> 02:15:06,070
Dude, you're never
going to fill your list.

3368
02:15:06,070 --> 02:15:09,040
But you never found your
list because it never

3369
02:15:09,040 --> 02:15:11,830
was presented in front of
you because your head was

3370
02:15:11,830 --> 02:15:15,650
cluttered with shit because
you never just stopped

3371
02:15:15,650 --> 02:15:20,300
for lots of minutes, lots
of years, and just said,

3372
02:15:20,300 --> 02:15:22,490
all right, it's me and you.

3373
02:15:22,490 --> 02:15:23,420
Let it go.

3374
02:15:23,420 --> 02:15:25,400
And it just-- bam.

3375
02:15:25,400 --> 02:15:26,760
It's right there.

3376
02:15:26,760 --> 02:15:27,943
It's right there.

3377
02:15:27,943 --> 02:15:29,610
ANDREW HUBERMAN: I'm
not a psychologist,

3378
02:15:29,610 --> 02:15:32,140
as I mentioned before.

3379
02:15:32,140 --> 02:15:35,140
But I'm going to venture
a hypothesis here.

3381
02:15:37,900 --> 02:15:44,680
I think that you've mastered the
process of internal dialogue.

3382
02:15:44,680 --> 02:15:47,560
But when I say dialogue, I
think most people think, oh,

3383
02:15:47,560 --> 02:15:50,435
the inner voice, the chatter.

3384
02:15:50,435 --> 02:15:52,060
But that's just one
half of a dialogue.

3385
02:15:52,060 --> 02:15:55,100
A dialogue is a two-way street.

3386
02:15:55,100 --> 02:15:59,175
So I completely agree because
I know from experience

3387
02:15:59,175 --> 02:16:01,300
that when we go inward,
oftentimes, we hear things,

3388
02:16:01,300 --> 02:16:03,633
if we're really honest with
ourselves, it's like, oh no,

3389
02:16:03,633 --> 02:16:05,090
I don't want to
think about that.

3390
02:16:05,090 --> 02:16:05,590
No.

3391
02:16:05,590 --> 02:16:07,007
And then we start
looking outward.

3392
02:16:07,007 --> 02:16:11,770
Or we start trying to shift
our attention or distract.

3393
02:16:11,770 --> 02:16:13,420
And there are a
million reasons that

3394
02:16:13,420 --> 02:16:17,440
are handed to us, excuses, and
seemingly good justifications

3395
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:19,510
to be able to do that.

3396
02:16:19,510 --> 02:16:21,400
But dialogue is
a two-way street.

3397
02:16:21,400 --> 02:16:22,833
And it hit me
while you were just

3398
02:16:22,833 --> 02:16:24,250
saying what you
were saying, I was

3399
02:16:24,250 --> 02:16:25,690
paying very close attention.

3400
02:16:25,690 --> 02:16:31,000
And I realized David Goggins
is talking about the voice that

3401
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:34,090
comes up, including the
terrible stuff that no one wants

3402
02:16:34,090 --> 02:16:36,799
to hear about themselves
from themselves.

3403
02:16:36,799 --> 02:16:39,500
But then he's also got
the dialogue down where

3404
02:16:39,500 --> 02:16:41,000
he knows the counter voice.

3405
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:42,350
He goes, yeah, you're right.

3406
02:16:42,350 --> 02:16:43,520
And so I'm going to do this.

3407
02:16:43,520 --> 02:16:47,660
Or maybe no, remember this.

3408
02:16:47,660 --> 02:16:51,559
You're in a dialogue, a
two-way dialogue in there, not

3409
02:16:51,559 --> 02:16:53,330
a one-way chatter dialogue.

3410
02:16:53,330 --> 02:16:55,910
There are books written
by famous psychologists

3411
02:16:55,910 --> 02:16:58,430
about chatter, trying to
shift your internal narrative.

3412
02:16:58,430 --> 02:17:00,455
You're like, bring
the internal--

3413
02:17:00,455 --> 02:17:03,049
the internal narrative, that's
what going inward is about.

3414
02:17:03,049 --> 02:17:05,120
But it's not one voice.

3415
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:06,309
Again, there's a hypothesis.

3416
02:17:06,309 --> 02:17:07,934
And I'm not claiming
to be all-knowing.

3417
02:17:07,934 --> 02:17:10,850
Lord knows I'm not all-knowing.

3418
02:17:10,850 --> 02:17:12,900
But you've mastered
the dialogue.

3419
02:17:12,900 --> 02:17:16,549
And if there are three voices,
strong, medium, and weak,

3420
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:19,309
in there, you're like,
let's all come to the table.

3421
02:17:19,309 --> 02:17:22,280
So you've got a symphony
of voices in there

3422
02:17:22,280 --> 02:17:24,499
that are all you, that
you know to be you.

3423
02:17:24,499 --> 02:17:27,260
And you know how to have
those convers-- you're not

3424
02:17:27,260 --> 02:17:28,940
afraid to be in
those conversations.

3425
02:17:28,940 --> 02:17:32,090
And then you know what the
outcome of that committee

3426
02:17:32,090 --> 02:17:35,790
decision is, and you put
it into real-world action.

3427
02:17:35,790 --> 02:17:37,709
And the world only
sees the action.

3428
02:17:37,709 --> 02:17:38,751
DAVID GOGGINS: That's it.

3429
02:17:38,751 --> 02:17:40,230
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
And only you can

3430
02:17:40,230 --> 02:17:42,420
know your internal dialogue.

3431
02:17:42,420 --> 02:17:44,700
And only I can know
my internal dialogue.

3432
02:17:44,700 --> 02:17:46,889
And the only way to,
quote unquote, "know it"

3433
02:17:46,889 --> 02:17:48,603
is to spend a hell
a lot of time there.

3434
02:17:48,603 --> 02:17:49,770
DAVID GOGGINS: That's right.

3435
02:17:49,770 --> 02:17:50,430
ANDREW HUBERMAN: OK.

3436
02:17:50,430 --> 02:17:51,180
DAVID GOGGINS: A lifetime.

3437
02:17:51,180 --> 02:17:51,900
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Got it.

3438
02:17:51,900 --> 02:17:52,983
DAVID GOGGINS: A lifetime.

3439
02:17:52,983 --> 02:17:55,309
Like, think about it.

3440
02:17:55,309 --> 02:17:58,400
For me to be sitting
here in front of you,

3441
02:17:58,400 --> 02:18:01,900
you're not going to
call 300-pound Ecolab

3442
02:18:01,900 --> 02:18:03,139
guy to come sit here.

3443
02:18:03,139 --> 02:18:03,639
You might.

3444
02:18:03,639 --> 02:18:04,330
I don't know.

3445
02:18:04,330 --> 02:18:04,930
Maybe.

3446
02:18:04,930 --> 02:18:05,559
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Probably not.

3447
02:18:05,559 --> 02:18:06,726
DAVID GOGGINS: Probably not.

3448
02:18:06,726 --> 02:18:09,059
Think about this.

3449
02:18:09,059 --> 02:18:16,120
What we teach people is
kind, kindness to yourself.

3450
02:18:16,120 --> 02:18:19,070
Do you think if I
taught myself kindness--

3451
02:18:19,070 --> 02:18:20,129
and I agree with it.

3452
02:18:20,129 --> 02:18:22,629
God, so many people-- so many
people take me out of context,

3453
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:24,490
it's ridiculous.

3454
02:18:24,490 --> 02:18:26,709
Take it however the fuck
you want to take it.

3455
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:30,302
When I was 300
pounds, where do you

3456
02:18:30,302 --> 02:18:32,010
think that conversation
would that got me

3457
02:18:32,010 --> 02:18:33,959
if I spoke kindness to myself?

3458
02:18:33,959 --> 02:18:35,820
I'll tell you where it gets me.

3459
02:18:35,820 --> 02:18:38,730
Right back to 7-Eleven with
another box of mini chocolate

3460
02:18:38,730 --> 02:18:41,580
donuts and a
chocolate milkshake.

3461
02:18:41,580 --> 02:18:44,680
That's the one voice.

3462
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:47,337
That's the one voice
that most of us have

3463
02:18:47,337 --> 02:18:48,420
that you're talking about.

3464
02:18:48,420 --> 02:18:51,240
If you don't have a conversation
in there, the other voice

3465
02:18:51,240 --> 02:18:56,209
that you create that says,
OK, how does this look?

3466
02:18:56,209 --> 02:18:58,270
Looks very ugly.

3467
02:18:58,270 --> 02:19:02,549
That kind conversation for
me went away a long time ago,

3468
02:19:02,549 --> 02:19:05,150
which is why the dialogue
is now what you see.

3469
02:19:05,150 --> 02:19:07,700
A lot of action.

3470
02:19:07,700 --> 02:19:11,200
Because most people have
inaction because there's

3471
02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:12,549
one person talking.

3472
02:19:12,549 --> 02:19:14,440
And that one person
is always leading you

3473
02:19:14,440 --> 02:19:16,660
down the same
path, the path that

3474
02:19:16,660 --> 02:19:22,080
makes you feel very comfortable
and happy with yourself.

3475
02:19:22,080 --> 02:19:25,650
The second you create the
other voice, there's conflict.

3476
02:19:25,650 --> 02:19:26,340
Just battles.

3477
02:19:26,340 --> 02:19:28,200
Just wars.

3478
02:19:28,200 --> 02:19:30,209
Just defeat.

3479
02:19:30,209 --> 02:19:32,490
One thing I learned, and
I taught myself this,

3480
02:19:32,490 --> 02:19:34,219
and people go, I don't
understand what you're saying,

3481
02:19:34,219 --> 02:19:36,094
I'm going to try to
break it down real quick.

3483
02:19:37,900 --> 02:19:41,250
I didn't teach
myself victory first.

3484
02:19:41,250 --> 02:19:43,879
I taught myself failure.

3485
02:19:43,879 --> 02:19:47,980
I taught myself how to fail.

3486
02:19:47,980 --> 02:19:50,030
And people like,
that's so depressing.

3487
02:19:50,030 --> 02:19:50,870
Is it?

3488
02:19:50,870 --> 02:19:53,330
When you're 300 pounds and
you can't read and write

3489
02:19:53,330 --> 02:19:55,520
and you're fucked up,
you know how many times

3490
02:19:55,520 --> 02:19:58,230
you're going to fucking
fail on that process?

3491
02:19:58,230 --> 02:20:02,310
So if you don't know how to
fail, there is no victory.

3492
02:20:02,310 --> 02:20:04,740
I never talked about
winning because I

3493
02:20:04,740 --> 02:20:08,160
knew the path to
winning was going

3494
02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:10,820
to be years of failing first.

3495
02:20:10,820 --> 02:20:14,642
So I taught myself
how to fail properly.

3496
02:20:14,642 --> 02:20:18,010
No one teaches you
how to fucking fail.

3497
02:20:18,010 --> 02:20:21,100
But if you're going out
for insurmountable fucking

3498
02:20:21,100 --> 02:20:24,760
odds that make absolutely
no fucking sense,

3499
02:20:24,760 --> 02:20:26,830
a Black kid that can't
swim, 300 pounds--

3500
02:20:26,830 --> 02:20:28,900
going to be a Navy SEAL.

3501
02:20:28,900 --> 02:20:31,460
OK.

3502
02:20:31,460 --> 02:20:34,040
You better teach yourself
how to fail first

3503
02:20:34,040 --> 02:20:38,600
because if you sit in
failure for too long,

3504
02:20:38,600 --> 02:20:40,920
you will never come out of it.

3505
02:20:40,920 --> 02:20:45,080
So the first part
of my success was

3506
02:20:45,080 --> 02:20:48,680
learning how to fail properly.

3507
02:20:48,680 --> 02:20:53,240
And then eventually, I started
getting a few victories.

3508
02:20:53,240 --> 02:20:55,220
But that's what
people don't get.

3509
02:20:55,220 --> 02:20:59,080
When you have buried yourself
in such a deep fucking hole,

3510
02:20:59,080 --> 02:21:01,000
you better first talk
about the failures

3511
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:01,720
you're going to have first.

3512
02:21:01,720 --> 02:21:03,100
And that's when that
other voice comes up.

3513
02:21:03,100 --> 02:21:04,767
It tells you, we've
got to do something.

3514
02:21:04,767 --> 02:21:07,510
But it also tells
you, boy, I'm not

3515
02:21:07,510 --> 02:21:09,530
going to lie to you, Goggins.

3516
02:21:09,530 --> 02:21:12,080
You're in for a
fucking climb, bro.

3517
02:21:12,080 --> 02:21:14,870
You're going to get
your ass handed to you,

3518
02:21:14,870 --> 02:21:18,770
made fun of, the outside
noise, the inside noise.

3519
02:21:18,770 --> 02:21:20,870
Both voices are going
to be fucking telling

3520
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:22,020
you to go fuck yourself.

3521
02:21:22,020 --> 02:21:23,645
You are in for hell, bro.

3523
02:21:26,380 --> 02:21:27,730
I am.

3524
02:21:27,730 --> 02:21:28,890
So I better learn to fail.

3525
02:21:28,890 --> 02:21:30,390
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
So this is what you

3526
02:21:30,390 --> 02:21:32,400
mean when you say that
whatever anyone says,

3527
02:21:32,400 --> 02:21:33,228
it's insignificant?

3528
02:21:33,228 --> 02:21:34,770
DAVID GOGGINS:
Insignificant as fuck.

3529
02:21:34,770 --> 02:21:36,353
ANDREW HUBERMAN:
It's the cap gun fire

3530
02:21:36,353 --> 02:21:38,280
because it's just like
it-- because the voice

3531
02:21:38,280 --> 02:21:40,620
in your own head is far worse.

3532
02:21:40,620 --> 02:21:44,670
And I should say, sorry, one
of the voices in your head.

3533
02:21:44,670 --> 02:21:46,783
I'm being very detailed,
almost surgical

3534
02:21:46,783 --> 02:21:49,200
about that because I think
this thing about inner dialogue

3535
02:21:49,200 --> 02:21:50,610
we think is one voice.

3536
02:21:50,610 --> 02:21:53,725
But you're making it
clear it's many voices.

3537
02:21:53,725 --> 02:21:54,600
DAVID GOGGINS: It is.

3538
02:21:54,600 --> 02:21:59,500
And the thing about it is,
you have to be really--

3539
02:21:59,500 --> 02:22:01,750
and sometimes all the
voices are telling you

3540
02:22:01,750 --> 02:22:03,160
the wrong shit, man.

3541
02:22:03,160 --> 02:22:08,620
But through years, years, not a
podcast or listening to a book

3542
02:22:08,620 --> 02:22:12,130
or reading a book,
years of sacrifice,

3543
02:22:12,130 --> 02:22:16,990
of suffering, of diligent
pinpoint fucking work

3544
02:22:16,990 --> 02:22:18,610
on what you want
to do for yourself,

3545
02:22:18,610 --> 02:22:23,780
not like, oh, let me
just do a bunch of shit.

3546
02:22:23,780 --> 02:22:27,980
Let me-- I want to be
in every task possible.

3547
02:22:27,980 --> 02:22:28,970
No.

3548
02:22:28,970 --> 02:22:33,300
Pinpoint what I want
to do with my life.

3549
02:22:33,300 --> 02:22:36,925
What happens is you have
all these voices that

3550
02:22:36,925 --> 02:22:38,300
are telling you
you're fucked up,

3551
02:22:38,300 --> 02:22:39,508
and this is going to be hard.

3552
02:22:39,508 --> 02:22:44,280
But for some reason, you put
so much practice into you

3553
02:22:44,280 --> 02:22:47,670
that you can ignore
every one of them that

3554
02:22:47,670 --> 02:22:50,720
are telling you you're not
going to fucking make it.

3555
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:53,420
And still be able
to fucking make it

3556
02:22:53,420 --> 02:22:56,245
because you have put
the practice in that you

3557
02:22:56,245 --> 02:22:59,300
know this is the process.

3558
02:22:59,300 --> 02:23:04,280
It's such a daunting task that
all the voices are saying no.

3559
02:23:04,280 --> 02:23:06,620
But you still have
the conviction

3560
02:23:06,620 --> 02:23:08,630
that I know I can do this.

3561
02:23:08,630 --> 02:23:13,370
And that's what it took
for me to get here.

3562
02:23:13,370 --> 02:23:15,770
20, 30 years ago, I had this--

3563
02:23:15,770 --> 02:23:21,542
35 or whatever it was,
25 years ago, pipe dream.

3564
02:23:21,542 --> 02:23:27,300
And ever since then, every voice
was like, you're a fucking nut.

3565
02:23:27,300 --> 02:23:30,510
But when you put that practice
in every day, you lace them up.

3566
02:23:30,510 --> 02:23:32,250
And I mean, run.

3567
02:23:32,250 --> 02:23:34,833
It's just a metaphor for life.

3568
02:23:34,833 --> 02:23:36,750
When you lace them
motherfuckers up every day,

3569
02:23:36,750 --> 02:23:38,460
pretty soon, you win.

3570
02:23:38,460 --> 02:23:40,110
Pretty soon, you'll fucking win.

3571
02:23:40,110 --> 02:23:42,480
If you have the courage and
the heart and the dedication

3572
02:23:42,480 --> 02:23:45,400
and the mindset of everybody
can go fuck themselves,

3573
02:23:45,400 --> 02:23:46,680
I know what I know.

3574
02:23:46,680 --> 02:23:49,930
I've listened to
myself enough to know.

3575
02:23:49,930 --> 02:23:51,190
I know what I know.

3576
02:23:51,190 --> 02:23:53,860
None of you can hear
what I'm hearing.

3577
02:23:53,860 --> 02:23:55,610
And that's what people
don't do enough of.

3578
02:23:55,610 --> 02:23:58,190
They don't listen
to their journey.

3579
02:23:58,190 --> 02:24:00,410
They listen to
everybody else's shit.

3580
02:24:00,410 --> 02:24:02,300
Before you know it, I'm crazy.

3581
02:24:02,300 --> 02:24:06,810
But if I'm so fucking crazy,
why am I so successful?

3582
02:24:06,810 --> 02:24:09,060
How that happen?

3583
02:24:09,060 --> 02:24:13,270
But I'm so misguided
and fucked up.

3584
02:24:13,270 --> 02:24:14,605
And don't listen to him.

3586
02:24:17,570 --> 02:24:20,600
Why am I the only one to
do a whole bunch of shit?

3587
02:24:20,600 --> 02:24:23,150
Why am I a trailblazer?

3588
02:24:23,150 --> 02:24:23,780
Why?

3589
02:24:23,780 --> 02:24:24,780
How is that possible?

3590
02:24:24,780 --> 02:24:28,370
How can you be fucked up and
also self-made at the same

3591
02:24:28,370 --> 02:24:29,100
fucking--

3592
02:24:29,100 --> 02:24:29,600
no.

3593
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:30,620
No.

3594
02:24:30,620 --> 02:24:34,800
Obviously, you're not looking
at the truth in front of you.

3595
02:24:34,800 --> 02:24:37,140
The truth in front
of you is it sucks.

3596
02:24:37,140 --> 02:24:39,430
It's painful.

3597
02:24:39,430 --> 02:24:41,950
It's fucking mind-numbing.

3598
02:24:41,950 --> 02:24:44,090
And that is the truth.

3599
02:24:44,090 --> 02:24:46,600
And that's why a
lot of people don't

3600
02:24:46,600 --> 02:24:49,870
like listening to me because
this is what it takes,

3601
02:24:49,870 --> 02:24:53,362
creating another voice and
sometimes going at it alone.

3602
02:24:53,362 --> 02:24:55,320
All the time going at it
alone because no one's

3603
02:24:55,320 --> 02:24:57,060
going to believe in you.

3604
02:24:57,060 --> 02:24:59,415
And that's that.

3605
02:24:59,415 --> 02:25:01,790
ANDREW HUBERMAN: What I'm
about to say is not conjecture.

3606
02:25:01,790 --> 02:25:04,010
And I can say that
with confidence

3607
02:25:04,010 --> 02:25:05,780
because I did a
four-episode guest

3608
02:25:05,780 --> 02:25:08,450
series with a brilliant
psychiatrist, a guy named

3609
02:25:08,450 --> 02:25:09,020
Paul Conti.

3610
02:25:09,020 --> 02:25:10,040
He's from Trenton.

3611
02:25:10,040 --> 02:25:12,278
He's a Stanford,
Harvard-trained guy.

3612
02:25:12,278 --> 02:25:13,820
He's also got a lot
of street in him.

3613
02:25:13,820 --> 02:25:16,850
He's had his own
hardship, real hardship.

3614
02:25:16,850 --> 02:25:17,480
He's brilliant.

3615
02:25:17,480 --> 02:25:20,230
And he said something
that I'll never forget,

3616
02:25:20,230 --> 02:25:22,900
which is, we think that
the forebrain, the part

3617
02:25:22,900 --> 02:25:25,810
of our brain that creates
strategy, et cetera,

3618
02:25:25,810 --> 02:25:26,685
is the supercomputer.

3619
02:25:26,685 --> 02:25:28,518
He said, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no.

3620
02:25:28,518 --> 02:25:29,020
No, no, no.

3621
02:25:29,020 --> 02:25:31,165
He's like, the
supercomputer of the brain

3622
02:25:31,165 --> 02:25:33,950
is the unconscious mind.

3623
02:25:33,950 --> 02:25:38,420
It's the part of our mind that's
controlling most everything.

3624
02:25:38,420 --> 02:25:40,580
And most people,
unfortunately, don't

3625
02:25:40,580 --> 02:25:42,710
do the work to understand
how their unconscious is

3626
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:43,730
controlling them.

3627
02:25:43,730 --> 02:25:45,530
And that's a scary
thing, this idea,

3628
02:25:45,530 --> 02:25:47,390
like your mind is
controlling you.

3629
02:25:47,390 --> 02:25:49,515
And I'm not going to get
into the free will debate.

3630
02:25:49,515 --> 02:25:53,120
I believe in at least some will.

3631
02:25:53,120 --> 02:25:59,080
I believe what you're describing
and this internal dialogue,

3632
02:25:59,080 --> 02:26:02,080
I think you have access
to your unconscious mind

3633
02:26:02,080 --> 02:26:04,210
by listening to the
dialogue, going inward.

3634
02:26:04,210 --> 02:26:07,780
We know this is true in sleep,
in dreams, in meditation,

3635
02:26:07,780 --> 02:26:10,780
and just by shutting out
everything else, shutting out

3636
02:26:10,780 --> 02:26:13,088
all the external
noise, which is filled

3637
02:26:13,088 --> 02:26:14,380
with things that pull us to it.

3638
02:26:14,380 --> 02:26:16,960
Noise makes it sound bad, but
it's the gravitational pull

3639
02:26:16,960 --> 02:26:19,360
of all the things that allow
us to distract ourselves

3640
02:26:19,360 --> 02:26:22,105
without knowing.

3641
02:26:22,105 --> 02:26:23,290
The ice cream.

3642
02:26:23,290 --> 02:26:24,190
The have a cookie.

3643
02:26:24,190 --> 02:26:26,500
The Merry Christmas.

3644
02:26:26,500 --> 02:26:28,810
The unconscious
mind, this huge piece

3645
02:26:28,810 --> 02:26:32,870
of the iceberg underneath that
Paul calls the supercomputer,

3646
02:26:32,870 --> 02:26:35,170
he's saying that with
knowledge as a neurobiologist,

3647
02:26:35,170 --> 02:26:37,960
psychiatrist, psychologist,
so he really knows,

3648
02:26:37,960 --> 02:26:41,407
that's the piece that if
one does real introspection,

3649
02:26:41,407 --> 02:26:42,490
he calls it the cupboards.

3650
02:26:42,490 --> 02:26:43,510
You got to look
in the cupboards.

3651
02:26:43,510 --> 02:26:45,860
And it's often really scary
what you find in there.

3652
02:26:45,860 --> 02:26:47,410
And most people are
just like, I don't even

3653
02:26:47,410 --> 02:26:48,952
want to know the
cupboards are there.

3654
02:26:48,952 --> 02:26:52,080
But you're pulling all
the cupboard doors open.

3655
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:55,740
And then you're-- and you're
extremely deliberate with what

3656
02:26:55,740 --> 02:26:58,020
gets put into action.

3657
02:26:58,020 --> 02:26:59,880
You're not just going,
oh, like, I'm pissed,

3658
02:26:59,880 --> 02:27:01,005
so I'm going to act pissed.

3659
02:27:01,005 --> 02:27:03,750
Or I'm tired, so I'm
going to act tired.

3660
02:27:03,750 --> 02:27:07,840
It's you're picking very
carefully what to do.

3661
02:27:07,840 --> 02:27:11,050
And that's a process that
I'm guessing came to you.

3662
02:27:11,050 --> 02:27:13,630
Does it come to you
as a, OK, it makes

3663
02:27:13,630 --> 02:27:15,910
sense why running makes sense.

3664
02:27:15,910 --> 02:27:20,610
It makes sense why
smokejumping makes sense.

3665
02:27:20,610 --> 02:27:25,680
So it seems like a huge
portion of your time

3666
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:30,490
is spent understanding yourself
and making sense to you.

3667
02:27:30,490 --> 02:27:32,460
And so when people
don't understand you,

3668
02:27:32,460 --> 02:27:34,963
it's got to be extra frustrating
because most people don't

3669
02:27:34,963 --> 02:27:35,880
understand themselves.

3670
02:27:35,880 --> 02:27:37,860
So then we're all running
around going, you're this,

3671
02:27:37,860 --> 02:27:39,693
and you're that because
most people are just

3672
02:27:39,693 --> 02:27:40,860
unwilling to look inward.

3673
02:27:40,860 --> 02:27:42,660
And I'm including
myself, by the way.

3674
02:27:42,660 --> 02:27:44,702
I mean, I've done a fair
amount of introspection.

3675
02:27:44,702 --> 02:27:47,770
But I'm inspired today, that
word, inspired, but it's true,

3676
02:27:47,770 --> 02:27:53,785
motivated to start going inward
further because it is scary.

3677
02:27:53,785 --> 02:27:55,910
It's like, we don't know
what's in those cupboards,

3678
02:27:55,910 --> 02:27:59,270
and it's terrifying, especially
because we don't know.

3679
02:27:59,270 --> 02:28:01,620
DAVID GOGGINS: And those are
the first ones to open up.

3680
02:28:01,620 --> 02:28:02,850
And like you talked
about, you got

3681
02:28:02,850 --> 02:28:03,630
to go through those cupboards.

3682
02:28:03,630 --> 02:28:05,130
I do spring cleaning
every fucking

3683
02:28:05,130 --> 02:28:08,090
day in those dark cupboards.

3684
02:28:08,090 --> 02:28:10,590
Those dark cabinets are the
ones I start with first.

3685
02:28:10,590 --> 02:28:13,118
That's the real me, man.

3686
02:28:13,118 --> 02:28:13,910
That's the real me.

3687
02:28:13,910 --> 02:28:16,780
That's why I'm not ashamed.

3688
02:28:16,780 --> 02:28:17,910
I don't hide.

3689
02:28:17,910 --> 02:28:19,020
I used to hide.

3690
02:28:19,020 --> 02:28:20,340
I don't hide anymore.

3691
02:28:20,340 --> 02:28:21,600
He's exactly right.

3692
02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:24,970
I don't know all the
fucking science behind shit.

3693
02:28:24,970 --> 02:28:26,125
I know what I know.

3694
02:28:26,125 --> 02:28:28,000
That's why I don't listen
to anybody anymore.

3695
02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:28,960
I don't listen to shit.

3696
02:28:28,960 --> 02:28:31,530
I think most people are
full of shit because I know.

3697
02:28:31,530 --> 02:28:35,830
I know the deep, dark secrets
of those fucking cupboards.

3698
02:28:35,830 --> 02:28:36,880
It's ugly, man.

3699
02:28:36,880 --> 02:28:38,380
And every day, I'm
talking to them.

3700
02:28:38,380 --> 02:28:39,100
Every day, I'm cleaning them.

3701
02:28:39,100 --> 02:28:40,150
I'm cleaning them,
and I'm talking

3702
02:28:40,150 --> 02:28:42,608
to the same demons that came
out of those fucking cupboards

3703
02:28:42,608 --> 02:28:43,720
as I'm cleaning them.

3704
02:28:43,720 --> 02:28:46,910
Sometimes they go right
back in them again.

3705
02:28:46,910 --> 02:28:48,860
It's not easy.

3706
02:28:48,860 --> 02:28:52,280
And this is why
most of us just--

3707
02:28:52,280 --> 02:28:56,120
why I am misunderstood
because what comes out

3708
02:28:56,120 --> 02:28:59,170
of those cabinets
that I'm cleaning,

3709
02:28:59,170 --> 02:29:01,527
sometimes they see on Instagram.

3710
02:29:01,527 --> 02:29:03,110
Sometimes they'll
see it in a podcast.

3711
02:29:03,110 --> 02:29:04,527
Sometimes they see
it in this one.

3712
02:29:04,527 --> 02:29:05,930
I turn people off.

3713
02:29:05,930 --> 02:29:10,370
Open up your own cabinets.

3714
02:29:10,370 --> 02:29:13,400
And then go talk about it.

3715
02:29:13,400 --> 02:29:15,140
Let me see how pretty it looks.

3716
02:29:15,140 --> 02:29:17,060
Let me see how pretty you sound.

3717
02:29:17,060 --> 02:29:20,390
Let me see how put
together your words are.

3718
02:29:20,390 --> 02:29:22,400
I bet you a fuck or a
motherfucker comes out

3719
02:29:22,400 --> 02:29:24,680
because for you to go
back in there again

3720
02:29:24,680 --> 02:29:27,110
to clean the same fucking
cabinet that the demon came out

3721
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:30,090
of takes some big balls, bro.

3722
02:29:30,090 --> 02:29:33,440
To do it every day of your life.

3723
02:29:33,440 --> 02:29:38,150
To go back in there and spring
clean every day, not once

3724
02:29:38,150 --> 02:29:41,300
a fucking year,
once every decade.

3725
02:29:41,300 --> 02:29:43,760
Every day you know
it gets dusty.

3726
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:47,900
And every day, you don't
start with the victories.

3727
02:29:47,900 --> 02:29:49,460
You don't go, oh, this is nice.

3728
02:29:49,460 --> 02:29:51,103
Look at my-- look at
my I love me wall.

3729
02:29:51,103 --> 02:29:51,770
Let me clean up.

3730
02:29:51,770 --> 02:29:52,550
This is a little dusty.

3731
02:29:52,550 --> 02:29:53,090
No.

3732
02:29:53,090 --> 02:29:56,085
I go right for the things that
are going to keep me buried.

3733
02:29:56,085 --> 02:29:58,460
And I go right there first
because if I don't clean those

3734
02:29:58,460 --> 02:30:01,940
out first, the
day doesn't start.

3735
02:30:01,940 --> 02:30:06,250
So what are you
saying to me is truth.

3736
02:30:06,250 --> 02:30:09,160
And like I told you
many times today, I

3737
02:30:09,160 --> 02:30:13,570
can never figure out how to
explain this shit to people

3738
02:30:13,570 --> 02:30:16,690
because I'm not neuro nothing.

3739
02:30:16,690 --> 02:30:21,700
I'm just a guy that said, OK,
we got to start in the dungeon.

3740
02:30:21,700 --> 02:30:25,500
And we got to stay here
for the rest of our lives.

3741
02:30:25,500 --> 02:30:27,780
For you to become
successful, the dungeon

3742
02:30:27,780 --> 02:30:30,650
is a place that has to be clean.

3743
02:30:30,650 --> 02:30:33,060
And it's the
scariest place to be.

3744
02:30:33,060 --> 02:30:35,360
That's why I'm
misunderstood because I'm

3745
02:30:35,360 --> 02:30:37,010
speaking from the dungeon.

3746
02:30:37,010 --> 02:30:40,290
That's why I am
successful because I

3747
02:30:40,290 --> 02:30:41,880
go there every damn day.

3748
02:30:41,880 --> 02:30:44,430
And that is the
truth, what he says.

3749
02:30:44,430 --> 02:30:46,170
It's the exact truth.

3750
02:30:46,170 --> 02:30:49,290
Those cabinets are
fucking dusty, dirty,

3751
02:30:49,290 --> 02:30:51,330
and scary as shit.

3752
02:30:51,330 --> 02:30:58,550
Broken glass, fucking
dark, spiders, cobwebs.

3753
02:30:58,550 --> 02:31:01,700
But most of all,
your biggest fears,

3754
02:31:01,700 --> 02:31:04,160
the biggest things that put
you in a fucked up place you

3755
02:31:04,160 --> 02:31:05,720
are today are in there.

3756
02:31:05,720 --> 02:31:07,430
That's why we all like
to keep them shut.

3757
02:31:07,430 --> 02:31:08,712
You like to lock them up.

3758
02:31:08,712 --> 02:31:09,920
Act like they never happened.

3759
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:11,750
That's why you never grow.

3760
02:31:11,750 --> 02:31:13,130
You never improve.

3761
02:31:13,130 --> 02:31:14,660
You never have
real conversations

3762
02:31:14,660 --> 02:31:15,890
like we're having right now.

3763
02:31:15,890 --> 02:31:16,700
Never.

3764
02:31:16,700 --> 02:31:17,630
Never.

3765
02:31:17,630 --> 02:31:18,450
Oh no.

3766
02:31:18,450 --> 02:31:19,372
No, no, no, no, no.

3767
02:31:19,372 --> 02:31:20,330
Let's not-- no, no, no.

3768
02:31:20,330 --> 02:31:21,420
Let's not go there.

3769
02:31:21,420 --> 02:31:24,810
I talked to so many
people who tell me that.

3770
02:31:24,810 --> 02:31:27,592
Let's talk about this.

3771
02:31:27,592 --> 02:31:31,320
Because they'll tell me, but
they can only say it once.

3772
02:31:31,320 --> 02:31:32,580
And they'll say it in passing.

3773
02:31:32,580 --> 02:31:34,890
They won't get deep
in the weeds with it.

3774
02:31:34,890 --> 02:31:37,200
Like, you can't just clean it.

3775
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:40,500
Motherfucker, you got to
spit shine that motherfucker.

3776
02:31:40,500 --> 02:31:45,160
You got to relive it,
every fucking detail of it.

3777
02:31:45,160 --> 02:31:47,610
You can't just be like, oh
yeah, yeah, my dad beat me.

3778
02:31:47,610 --> 02:31:51,078
And it is what it is.

3779
02:31:51,078 --> 02:31:52,620
It ain't is what it
is, motherfucker.

3780
02:31:52,620 --> 02:31:54,770
It's killing you.

3781
02:31:54,770 --> 02:31:57,408
It's taken over your
whole fucking life.

3782
02:31:57,408 --> 02:31:58,575
But that's the conversation.

3783
02:31:58,575 --> 02:32:00,540
Yeah, my dad beat-- but
I'm fine now, though.

3784
02:32:00,540 --> 02:32:01,770
I'm good.

3785
02:32:01,770 --> 02:32:03,370
OK.

3786
02:32:03,370 --> 02:32:04,390
All right.

3787
02:32:04,390 --> 02:32:04,990
No, you ain't.

3788
02:32:04,990 --> 02:32:06,710
You ain't fine.

3789
02:32:06,710 --> 02:32:07,525
You ain't fine.

3790
02:32:07,525 --> 02:32:08,680
This is real talk.

3791
02:32:08,680 --> 02:32:09,850
People don't have that.

3792
02:32:09,850 --> 02:32:11,290
So your boy's right.

3793
02:32:11,290 --> 02:32:12,850
100% right.

3794
02:32:12,850 --> 02:32:14,320
Scary as shit.

3795
02:32:14,320 --> 02:32:16,810
It's scary as shit.

3796
02:32:16,810 --> 02:32:20,480
But it makes you who
you're supposed to be.

3797
02:32:20,480 --> 02:32:22,390
And that's the test.

3798
02:32:22,390 --> 02:32:23,440
We forget.

3799
02:32:23,440 --> 02:32:26,170
We think we're supposed to
breathe air and have kids

3800
02:32:26,170 --> 02:32:29,970
and pay the bills and shit.

3801
02:32:29,970 --> 02:32:31,890
But what's this life about?

3802
02:32:31,890 --> 02:32:34,290
That makes no sense.

3803
02:32:34,290 --> 02:32:36,840
We're being tested, my friend.

3804
02:32:36,840 --> 02:32:41,760
Tests come when you
have not studied.

3805
02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:45,720
Tests come when you think
that you're in a great place.

3806
02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:46,630
That's the test.

3807
02:32:46,630 --> 02:32:48,420
The test is every
day of your life.

3808
02:32:48,420 --> 02:32:50,160
And most of us fail
because we don't

3809
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:54,420
know why we're here because
we don't go inward to say, oh.

3810
02:32:54,420 --> 02:32:57,970
You gave me a lot
of shit to fix, man.

3811
02:32:57,970 --> 02:33:00,070
And this test sucks.

3812
02:33:00,070 --> 02:33:03,583
But then you start.

3813
02:33:03,583 --> 02:33:04,875
ANDREW HUBERMAN: David Goggins.

3815
02:33:07,410 --> 02:33:08,940
I don't think I
could add to that.

3816
02:33:08,940 --> 02:33:09,900
I know I can't.

3818
02:33:12,820 --> 02:33:17,450
Thank you for sharing
what you shared today.

3819
02:33:17,450 --> 02:33:22,790
I mean, as much as your
process or anyone's process

3820
02:33:22,790 --> 02:33:28,000
can't be completely
understood from the outside,

3821
02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:31,810
you gave us a real
window into this thing,

3822
02:33:31,810 --> 02:33:35,020
this process that you--

3823
02:33:35,020 --> 02:33:37,270
as you said, God put it on you.

3824
02:33:37,270 --> 02:33:38,320
I believe in God too.

3825
02:33:38,320 --> 02:33:39,737
People can believe
what they want.

3826
02:33:39,737 --> 02:33:45,250
But somehow, your life, God gave
you these challenges early on.

3827
02:33:45,250 --> 02:33:50,370
And then there was a point
where you went internal.

3828
02:33:50,370 --> 02:33:53,950
And like you said,
you developed a skill.

3829
02:33:53,950 --> 02:33:55,840
But it's a perishable skill.

3830
02:33:55,840 --> 02:33:58,990
And you clearly
live in the process

3831
02:33:58,990 --> 02:34:02,770
of opening those cupboards,
reopening those cupboards,

3832
02:34:02,770 --> 02:34:04,660
trying to spit shine
those cupboards,

3833
02:34:04,660 --> 02:34:08,380
understanding that they're
never, ever really done,

3834
02:34:08,380 --> 02:34:12,940
but that you can gain ground
on them, that you can win day

3835
02:34:12,940 --> 02:34:14,620
after day after day.

3836
02:34:14,620 --> 02:34:16,990
And you really shared a
lot of concrete things

3837
02:34:16,990 --> 02:34:21,010
that I know people
are going to be

3838
02:34:21,010 --> 02:34:23,110
able to apply if they choose.

3839
02:34:23,110 --> 02:34:23,990
And I agree with you.

3840
02:34:23,990 --> 02:34:26,260
I think most people
will be like, whoa.

3841
02:34:26,260 --> 02:34:28,090
That was a lot.

3842
02:34:28,090 --> 02:34:28,870
It's heavy.

3843
02:34:28,870 --> 02:34:34,450
I think I want to just kind of
bake myself in Netflix and Chex

3844
02:34:34,450 --> 02:34:37,110
Mix instead.

3845
02:34:37,110 --> 02:34:40,610
But there's also the
reality that there

3846
02:34:40,610 --> 02:34:46,000
are men and women, boys and
girls who hear that and go, OK,

3847
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:49,720
and start cracking
the cupboards open.

3848
02:34:49,720 --> 02:34:52,880
And I just know
that for myself, I'm

3849
02:34:52,880 --> 02:34:54,880
extremely grateful that
you're willing to put it

3850
02:34:54,880 --> 02:34:55,660
all out there.

3851
02:34:55,660 --> 02:35:00,280
You're so brutally honest,
so brutally authentic.

3852
02:35:00,280 --> 02:35:03,960
That word authenticity
gets thrown around so much.

3853
02:35:03,960 --> 02:35:07,750
And I can tell you that for me
and for everybody else, that's

3854
02:35:07,750 --> 02:35:09,010
really what resonates.

3855
02:35:09,010 --> 02:35:11,440
So whether or not you want
to, whether or not it's

3856
02:35:11,440 --> 02:35:15,370
the purpose behind it or not,
you're lighting the path.

3857
02:35:15,370 --> 02:35:17,025
So thank you.

3858
02:35:17,025 --> 02:35:18,400
DAVID GOGGINS:
Respect Thank you.

3859
02:35:18,400 --> 02:35:19,275
Thanks for having me.

3860
02:35:19,275 --> 02:35:20,983
ANDREW HUBERMAN: Thank
you for joining me

3861
02:35:20,983 --> 02:35:22,740
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with David Goggins.

3862
02:35:22,740 --> 02:35:25,140
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David and to find links

3863
02:35:25,140 --> 02:35:27,690
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3864
02:35:27,690 --> 02:35:30,840
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3865
02:35:30,840 --> 02:35:33,370
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3866
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3869
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3879
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3881
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3917
02:37:22,180 --> 02:37:26,170
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3918
02:37:26,170 --> 02:37:28,235
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